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Gas without ethanol in the Bay Area

Hello - I drive my '73 only occasionally, like once or twice a year. It's basically in storage. Someone advised that I should not keep gasoline with ethanol in the tank as it degrades over time and could damage the engine.

Question - Where can one get gasoline positively without ethanol in the SF Bay Area, or even nearby in Northern California?

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If you can't find it I would use a bottle of Sta-Bil for long term storage. I've used this and it kept the fuel good for a long time.

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There's a Sta-Bil product called Sta-Bil 360, which counteracts the harmful effects of ethanol. I run it all of the time in my '65 (along with the lead substitute).
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With California fuel blend requirements I doubt you will find it at many gas stations. But here is a link that may help. https://www.buyrealgas.com/California.html
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Well to start with, all gasoline in Cal is blended and each region is different and changes at the start and end of summer. As such, all the gasoline begins to turn to varnish at 6 months.... there is no way around it. The biggest issue with most of the fuel tank additives is the carb & fuel pump gaskets (of course the fuel lines as well...unless you have alcohol spec'd gaskets which have been available for 30 + years now). Marvel Mystery Oil is good to add a touch to the fuel system, run the engine for a moment or 2 so it gets into the carb....now things are lubricated. Although it is best to keep the fuel tank full (to eliminate moisture/air which promotes fuel degradation), I siphon the fuel out of mine about every 2 months and use in our daily drivers, then replace with fresh.


Fuel lines...if you haven't done it already, when they are due for replacement (5 years of life max), replace them with EFI fuel line (rubber hose) as this will last a lifetime!

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Ignore almost everything you hear about ethanol in the gas causing issues with a fuel system. Most winter blends added methanol or ethanol even back in the 60's. Modern gas will absorb more water due to the higher ethanol. The higher water content will encourage "varnishing" in the system. Adding a quality fuel additive such as Stabil or any product that clearly states formulated for ethanol containing fuels will extend the "freshness" f the fuel.
Having said all of that with a fresh battery and a can of either i'e started and run cars that have been sitting in storage for over 5 years with gas in the tank. Ethanol however will affect the smaller two stroke engines in weed whackers and chain saw and even smaller mowers in under 60 days.

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Ignore almost everything you hear about ethanol in the gas causing issues with a fuel system. Most winter blends added methanol or ethanol even back in the 60's. Modern gas will absorb more water due to the higher ethanol. The higher water content will encourage "varnishing" in the system. Adding a quality fuel additive such as Stabil or any product that clearly states formulated for ethanol containing fuels will extend the "freshness" f the fuel.
Having said all of that with a fresh battery and a can of either i'e started and run cars that have been sitting in storage for over 5 years with gas in the tank. Ethanol however will affect the smaller two stroke engines in weed whackers and chain saw and even smaller mowers in under 60 days.
Well, few states actually use meth/ethanol, and in Cali they use MTBE.....very corrosive..... back in the 80's when the switch was made, it was dissolving the carb accel pump diaphrams in as soon as 3 months.....(Holley brand to be precise) and switched over to the alcohol spec units..... now I get about 5+ years out of them.

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While several states used MTBE at one time, New Mexico being one of them, it is rarely used today. California was one of the first to ban MTBE which they did in 2002, 17 years ago. Legal liability from leakage problems did more than state laws to make MTBE all but disappear from US gasoline.

The winter additive to increase volatility is now, as it has nearly always been, butane, not any alcohol. Butane is cheaper and much more effective for that job than alcohol. Ethanol is still used mostly because of politics since the supporting reasons behind its use have mostly disappeared. All the companies who geared up to make it want to keep it forever.

I do agree that nearly all the horror stories about ethanol are highly exaggerated if not downright untrue. Its not something I would want to use voluntarily but current laws don't allow me any choice. Both federal tax and state environmental laws make ethanol fuel mandatory in the winter and essentially the only choice at any other time where I live.

Can you buy E0 in the Bay Area today? I have no recent experience to know; when I lived there Ronald Reagan was governor. But knowing the politics there today I would rather doubt it.
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Well, few states actually use meth/ethanol, and in Cali they use MTBE.....very corrosive..... back in the 80's when the switch was made, it was dissolving the carb accel pump diaphrams in as soon as 3 months.....(Holley brand to be precise) and switched over to the alcohol spec units..... now I get about 5+ years out of them.
I think Ivy66gt is correct. I recall CA banned MTBE years ago. It had a very distinct odor to it when it was pumped which I do not recall smelling the last few trips to the State.

About the only place the OP will find non-ethanol is a boat dock. We have a few gas stations in my locality in Texas that are ethanol free and a few north of me in Oklahoma. I fill up 5 gal cans for garden equipment use and my inverter generator. And cost wise the non ethanol was only a few pennies more a gallon compared grade-to-grade.

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I think Ivy66gt is correct. I recall CA banned MTBE years ago. .
Yes, a court overruled them and then just a few years ago it was replaced with ethanol...with similar effects (it's just more friendly to the environment).

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