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Lower radiator hose with late model 5.0 / 5.8

This isn't a question, really, as I have already found the answer, but more of a helpful note to those in the same boat...

When swapping a late model 302 / 5.0 / 5.8 into an early Mustang, Falcon, ect. there is the issue of the lower radiator hose. This post is for those who are scouring the internet for solutions because they just discovered that the late model water pump's port now exits on the driver's side instead of the passenger of the earlier water pumps. The problem is that the radiator still has the outlet on the passenger side. There are several solutions to this that I am aware of.

1: Buy a 1970 radiator, as it has the outlet on the driver's side to match your late model water pump.

2: Scott Drake makes a conversion hose set (C4ZE-8260/86-50) that gets so/so reviews

3: Ron Morris makes a crossover hose that appears quite nice, but is about $130

4: Universal lower hose. Fairly cheap, but looks bad and doesn't have factory-type bends in it.

I didn't like any of those options, so I took a piece of fuel line I had laying around, bent it into the shape of the radiator hose I needed, and off to the parts stores I went. After several stops, return trips to test fit, and an entire day of aggravation, I finally found the solution! Drum roll..............

Gates part number: 23308 Approx. $27
It is a factory replacement upper radiator hose for a 1996-2003 Ford E-350 with the 7.3 diesel. After trimming about 1.5-2" off of each end, it is a perfect fit. It drops down beautifully from the drivers side water pump port, down and around the harmonic balancer, in front of the sway bar, and neatly curves back into the radiator.

I made this post because I had searched every forum I could think of, googled 'till my eyes hurt and never found a definitive answer. I hope this saves some time, money and frustration for a few folks!

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Nice job. I frequently ask the guys at O's to let me in the stock room so I can find a Gates hose that will fit my restomod. They are happy to oblige.


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What a great cheap solution! Well done, sir.
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Very nice! I've often wondered how people manage to find the right radiator hoses for modified applications. Seems like a whole bunch of trial-and-error, unless there's some way to search molded hoses by size, routing, and length.

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Parts makers aren't very good at giving out dimensional information for their products, and it makes resto-modding a challenge sometimes.

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Nice job. I frequently ask the guys at O's to let me in the stock room so I can find a Gates hose that will fit my restomod. They are happy to oblige.
Thank you! The folks at the parts stores here know me pretty well. Most of my stops in there are for... Creative fixes. Not many of my projects can be solved with the typical "What make and model are we working on today, Sir?" Haha.

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What a great cheap solution! Well done, sir.
Thanks! I figured that I must not be the only one shoving late model engines in an early Mustang, Falcon, ect and a few folks might find the info useful.

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Very nice! I've often wondered how people manage to find the right radiator hoses for modified applications. Seems like a whole bunch of trial-and-error, unless there's some way to search molded hoses by size, routing, and length.
You are right on about the "whole bunch of trial and error." As far as I know, that's the only way to find one that fits, unless you stumble upon a poor soul who had been down the path before.
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Not many of my projects can be solved with the typical "What make and model are we working on today, Sir?" Haha.
I learned decades ago that when they ask me that, I reply "custom".
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I learned decades ago that when they ask me that, I reply "custom".
Haha. Exactly. Or "You're probably going to need to write this down."
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I learned decades ago that when they ask me that, I reply "custom".

I say that but many of the people still insist on putting the information into the computer. When I was looking for a serpentine style belt for my 66 the guy told me they only had the single rib and even brought some out to show me.

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I say that but many of the people still insist on putting the information into the computer. When I was looking for a serpentine style belt for my 66 the guy told me they only had the single rib and even brought some out to show me.
They'd definitely have a hard time with mine. I've got a two-belt March system with a Chevy PS pump* and a Sanden style AC compressor.

*(Incredibly, the factory (replica) hoses for my power steering fit the pump, and the pump lives fine with Type F fluid.)

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I say that but many of the people still insist on putting the information into the computer.

I know the feeling. Its hard to keep track of all the different years/makes/models of donor cars. As I build mine, I have been writing an "owners manual" of sorts. That way, if I need to replace something, I have a reference as to what I can tell the parts counter people to look up. Also, in the event I ever go insane and sell my car, the future owner will have a source of information to refer to.

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Thats cheaper than my solution was. I had/have a Griffen radiator that I purchased for my 6-8 swap, but it had the early mustang passenger side. Instead of trouble shooting like you did, I just bought another Griffen radiator so I didn't have to mess with it. If I had only known.

So on that note, does anyone want a brand new Griffen radiator for an early mustang? Never been run, only mocked up! Ill even include a Gates 23308 Hose.

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Just a thought. Moneypit mentioned that this was an upper hose used in a lower hose application. Just note that the lower hose may be on the intake side of the pump and so, under some possible conditions, might collapse. Usually the lower hose has some wire in it to prevent that. Might never be a problem but might need to be monitored, at least for a while.

Otherwise, great idea, Art.
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