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Drum to disc brakes

I recently purchased a 67 Mustang with 289HP and C4 transmission. There has been no modifications done to this vehicles with the exception of replacing the original master cylinder to two chambers and a power boost system installed by the previous owner
Have replaced most common wear things including all fluids and filters. Found the brake system,as expected, to need a lot of work. Brakes were relatively new but I am guessing the guy who did those brakes did not delve far enough into the system. The self-adjustments did not work. Wheel cylinders were leaking and pistons full of crud and moisture. All have been replaced.
Brake lines inspected and in good condition. Replaced all cylinders including hoses and the tee block for the rear are new. Manually adjusted all 4 brakes and then got the self-adjusters working.
Brakes are firm with no leak down after stopping. Brake shoes like new and it didn't appear the the rears were engaging at all when I opened it up. Emergency brake handle would pull all the way out without an resistance so I know they did not work.
Now that everything has been replaced I would like to begin upgrading the brakes and start with replacing the front drum with discs.
Researched a lot on line and find 3 things that confuse me. Some kits come with a proportioning valve and some come with new distribution blocks. Some come without either.
I understand how each work and that the front brakes delivery a larger portion of of the braking.. Will the existing distribution block work on a front disc conversion. I have not changed the distribution block but that is on my list of things to do.
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Thanks for the response but I have not bought a front conversion yet. My question was whether I would need a separate proportioning valve to adjust pressures or will a combination proportioning/distribution block work?
I do not need a power booster/master cylinder as a new one was installed before I bought the Mustang
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Hi guys,


I've got a '68 with the 289 and manual drum brakes. Does the manual master cylinder have to be swapped out for a power master cylinder if switching to front disc brakes?


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With regards to changing out the master brake cylinder with a drum/drum to disc/drum swap....yes and yes you need a proportioning valve assuming you are not using a factory system. but IMHO, the best and least expensive system to use for this (and was the very common one to do) is the 1974 ford maverick master brake cylinder....available in drum/drum, disc/drum & and power disc/drum versions, it's specific for that chassis and works excellent.

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Thank you for the helpful response Beechkid.


According to rockauto, the Maverick part looks something like this for manual front discs
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...2210&jsn=14375
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Thank you for the helpful response Beechkid.


According to rockauto, the Maverick part looks something like this for manual front discs
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...2210&jsn=14375


Yes!!!!! This was a very popular upgrade up through the late 70's when the aftermarket started making "kits" with what I considered for the most part to be assembled pieces of anything they could find (for many of the aftermarket companies) or one off components which can't be replaced....and you should be able to get oem disc assembly replacement parts for everything else very easily.....mustangsteve is an excellent resource!!!!!!


https://www.mustangsteve.com/product...sion-brackets/

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I’m running 4 wheel disc brakes (Wilwood) with the stock master cylinder and stock distribution block. I’m not having any issues but the car originally came with front discs ... so it has a dual reservoir mc. I don’t know if the distribution blocks were different from disc vs drums. I’m assuming you wouldn’t need to replace the distribution block. If you do replace, then I would just go with an aftermarket proportioning valve. The proportions valve does the same thing as a metering block so you don’t need both. It’s one or the other. A proportioning valve is far better than the distribution block... especially when you start mixing parts that were never on the car to begin with. As far as brakes go... I’m very happy with Wilwood. I think they offer the best bang for the buck. I feel like the car (69 Mach 1) stops like a modern car now. I did the rear disc conversion but not sure if it was really worth it. The front was definitely worth it.
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Wilwood (and some other aftermarket brakes) are excellent, but I always worry about whether I'll be able to get parts for them in the years to come.



Given the choice, I plan to stick with factory-type Ford brakes, but since I am still running 15" rims, I think that makes the most sense anyway.
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Iím running 4 wheel disc brakes (Wilwood) with the stock master cylinder and stock distribution block. Iím not having any issues but the car originally came with front discs ... so it has a dual reservoir mc. I donít know if the distribution blocks were different from disc vs drums. Iím assuming you wouldnít need to replace the distribution block. If you do replace, then I would just go with an aftermarket proportioning valve. The proportions valve does the same thing as a metering block so you donít need both. Itís one or the other. A proportioning valve is far better than the distribution block... especially when you start mixing parts that were never on the car to begin with. As far as brakes go... Iím very happy with Wilwood. I think they offer the best bang for the buck. I feel like the car (69 Mach 1) stops like a modern car now. I did the rear disc conversion but not sure if it was really worth it. The front was definitely worth it.
MCC351 I'm glad to hear you're happy with them, as I don't know anyone who has used them and I just ordered the 12" Wilwood rear kit to compliment the no name front disc kit that was in the car when I got it. I pulled the rears apart to find the pads barely worn but everything rusted to pieces and full of cobwebs. I'm assuming this means the car either doesn't have a properly adjusted proportioning valve so the fronts have been doing all the work, which might explain why it feels like I have manual brakes. Booster and dual reservoir look new-ish and appear to be in working order. Did you have to remove the proportioning valve when you added the disc rear? I'm assuming that the pressures would be incorrect if not?
I drove my car 4 times before I ripped it apart (3 years ago) to address numerous issues, then life happened. Finally trying to get back at it.
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Have been under the hood trying to get this done in addition to shocks and springs.


The master cylinder that I bought off Rockauto, THIS ONE, doesn't fit the compression fittings on the brake lines. They're actually reversed so I'm either going to have to source new brake lines or cut the lines, swap the fittings and flare the ends.


Anyone deal with this and have an easier solution?


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Yea, in every m/c I checked the ports in the one you have are backwards, at least for the '66. Another option is to return it to Rockauto for a full refund, since it is not a direct bolt-in replacement.
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Yea, in every m/c I checked the ports in the one you have are backwards, at least for the '66. Another option is to return it to Rockauto for a full refund, since it is not a direct bolt-in replacement.

my car's a '68 and I bought a Maverick master cylinder per Beechkid's recommendation.

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Thank you for the helpful response Beechkid.


According to rockauto, the Maverick part looks something like this for manual front discs
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...2210&jsn=14375



For the next person to come upon this thread, here's how the Maverick master cylinder in the link is working out.



My car is a 1968 manual brakes, drum/drum, 289. With the original master cylinder and brake lines, the forward port (rear brakes) has a 9/16" fitting, the rear port (front brakes) has a 1/2" fitting.


With the Maverick master cylinder in the link above, it comes with a 7/16" forward port and a 9/16" rear port so neither of the original brake lines will just screw right in.


There are three options, make new brake lines with the correct fittings, cut the flare off the existing brake lines and put the correct fittings on (and re-flare the ends) for the Maverick master cylinder ports (7/16" forward, 9/16" aft), or buy brass adapters and leave the brake lines alone.


I may still cut the ends and replace the fittings but for now I'm using adapters. In the future if I pull the engine and do a clean up of the engine bay I'll make new brake lines.


That's it, maybe that will help someone.
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