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Help suspension NIGHTMARE

Hello, my dad purchased a 65 mustang a while back and after we painted it and got all new parts for it, were having a tough time with what the previously owner had done to the suspension. To start, the car is an original 6cyl base car that had been swapped with what I've found out is an 82 5.0l motor and has a 5lug axle swap. Well, in the pictures below, you can start to see the problem. They Jerry rigged some tubing in to hold the steering rack in and IT DOES NOT WORK at all for holding the wheels in strait! No matter what we do, as soon as the car starts to roll, the camber and alignment of tires goes wacky! We cant keep it strait or drive it how it is. We finally have car running right, looking good and cant figure out what exactly we need. We do have access to a lift and have pretty good mechanical skills so please help. I'm guessing we need a K member specific for this 5.0l swap. But which one? Any and all help will be GREATLY appreciated

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Wow, that's a whole new level of engineering. Got no suggestions that would be easy.


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Why would you not, simply drop all of that unconventional "stuff" and start with a factory steering and suspension system? In doing so, plan on adding the Shelby UCA mod. Maybe, I don't get what you're wanting to do?
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Why would you not, simply drop all of that unconventional "stuff" and start with a factory steering and suspension system? In doing so, plan on adding the Shelby UCA mod. Maybe, I don't get what you're wanting to do?
yes thsts definitely where were gonna start. The problem is it is a factory 6cy car and the factory stuff doesnt work with the 302 motor and 5lug axle swap that was installed. All this was before he bought it. So we are trying to figure out the best way to go about getting this on the road. I'll check out the shelby mod. I was hoping someone here has done this swap and had exactly what I'd need to make this work
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That's some serious Billy Bob & Jethro engineeriing. Good luck with getting that mess straightened out.
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The factory steering can work with a later model 5.0. All you have to do is change the oil pan and pickup for a front sump setup.

Otherwise, your options are to use a Mustang II K-member or go Griggs Racing. If you just want something to cruise around in, I'd say go for the oil pan. Mustang II setup is OK, but won't handle any better than the factory setup, and requires the same level of installation effort as a Griggs setup, which will put you in proper sports car handling territory.
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Everyone else has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Get a front sump oil pan and pickup, then the stock crossmember works fine. Get rid of the wonky steering rack, put in a factory V8 drag link, steering box, and tie rods.



I don't know why anyone thought that hanging your steering stuff at ground level was a good idea. What's supposed to happen when you hit a bump? Not to mention the tie rods are at about a 45 degree angle even when the suspension's at rest. That's the most impressively bad steering setup I have ever seen on a Mustang!

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Whoever built that should be in hand cuffs and never allowed to use tools again. A real "Darwin Award " winner.
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I don't know why anyone thought that hanging your steering stuff at ground level was a good idea. !
Why Grimbrand….that's what we call a "Front Splitter" from the "Forged in Iron" crowd~! Available in any finish, including "patina", where finer performance products are sold!
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In all seriousness though, because you really don't know what else has been done correctly/incorrectly as others have suggested, I would get all oem style replacement parts for a V8....sure you can also do the Shelby drop (you can google this- it's basically free), and you can start from a foundation of this is where it should be and this is how things should look, work, function.... and if you have to troubleshoot, this will be very easy and direct since all the oem specs are readily available (alignment, component positioning, range of operation, etc.) and parts are readily available... as compared if you go aftermarket....have an issue, you may very well not know if it was caused by unknown work of the previous "genius" or the aftermarket component...… that's always fun to trouble shoot that out!

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I would also like to mention that "rack and pinion" is not necessarily any better in regard to feel or performance, compared to the original type steering box on these cars. In fact, the original equipment tends to last a lot longer. The main reason they switched to R&P in modern cars is because it was cheap and simple to manufacture. Chocostang is a great place to turn to for original type steering equipment that works right. I am a big fan of the 'quick ratio' box that was also used with power steering, even if you go with a manual rack.


It does make for a little effort in turning when at a stop, but it is a lot less complicated than power steering, and offers great feel once you're moving. These cars are light enough in the nose that even when at a dead stop, with the original steering wheel, you won't need a gym membership to turn the wheels. Your average teenage girl can drive one just fine. With an FE motor (big block) and much wider-than-stock tires, you'll want the power steering.
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They obviously weren't thinking about "bump steer".

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They obviously weren't thinking about "bump steer".
Sure they were....hit bump, it then steers (where it wants to)
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Hey do yourself a favor and dump all of that suspension and steering, they are right that is some "Jethro" stuff there and you don't want to risk your life or your ride. Go get yourself a take apart and exploded diagram of the stock set up and see what you can salvage from that if anything and what you need. It will never steer correctly if you don't have stock components or better. Go with a kit from CJ pony parts or PST Engineering. Consider a disc brake conversion for the front. That is pretty easy stuff to remove and re-install.
I did a 67 from ground up - all new suspension and brakes. left the steering stock and it rides nice. Replace any and all grommets, bushings and wear parts such as ball joints, etc... Good luck.
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1965 1966 Ford Mustang V8 w/ Manual Steering Front End Suspension Rebuild Kit - www.a-resto-parts.com

https://p-s-t.com/c-1145188-suspensi...uild-kits.html

https://www.cjponyparts.com/supreme-...-1966/p/SUSK3/



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