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you need to take this to the 2015 mustang section,or theeco boost engine section.
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I`ll move it to the 2015 section.


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Now you probably have read a gazillion posts about this new 4 cylinder engine...and all the pros and cons as well as the "attitude/principle" bashers or those who are fooled in thinking it is a great way to save cash on gas and still get the hp.

Yes fooled...

Because u keep reading all these articles and all these praises for this new toy pony of an engine, but No one, especially the press, is asking a simple question :

"How long will this engine last ? Will it take the mileage we are used to in American engines ? Or will it fall apart after 30k miles ?"

As an article said..."EcoBoost is just plain better than the 3.7L V6…"...MY ASS. A 4 cylinder is far less balanced as an engine than a V6...anyone in the motor world will tell you that...who cares about the extra 5hp if you are squeezing the hell out of 4 cylinders. Moreover you will be extremely limited on mods...I foresee the classic Euro car issue...after 40k miles the engine is yesterday's garbage! ...and I am someone who owned numerous sports cars back in Europe that were all 4 cylinder supercharged or turbo. The great thing about American cars is their longevity...we'll see about this engine...

I bet my house that is Ford's "secret" intention...steer non GT buyers (who could simply not afford it...) towards a 4 cylinder that lasts 30-40k miles and then they are forced to rebuy...because it boggles my mind to keep reading such garbage articles where supposed "experts" praise this toy pony of an engine without even addressing life-span or longevity or reliability questions...look at all the Euro engines ! THEY DO NOT LAST! When I lived in Europe a car that was 30k miles (especially a sports car...) was OLD and time to change! That is because they could NOT take the mileage !

Any attempt I made to state this point on mustang FB pages (official)...resulted in my posts being deleted and me being blocked. Smells like last week's fish...

A drove my 1987 Thunderbird Turbocoupe with it's 2.3L 4cyl 250K miles without issue, that engine was pushing 21psi of boost at max. I wouldn't worry about the ECOBOOST, especially with direct injection.

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Nothing to see here folks, move along...

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"The fact no one is talking about"?

What "fact" OP? You're not offering up any "facts", just wild, tinfoil hat theory and conjecture.

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Were you wearing your tinfoil hat while you came up with this prediction?
LOL, I was going to post this exact same comment.

And isn't Ford's warranty 36K miles? Why would they design a motor that would possibly fail within a warranty period? Then they would have to pay to fix it. Doesn't sound like a very well thought conspiracy.

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About this thread?
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LOL, I was going to post this exact same comment.

And isn't Ford's warranty 36K miles? Why would they design a motor that would possibly fail within a warranty period? Then they would have to pay to fix it. Doesn't sound like a very well thought conspiracy.
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Heck of a lot of 100,000+ mile SRT4's running around these here parts. I just saw a 2.2 Turbo LeBaron yesterday with over 300,000 miles. Original engine, with the original head still on.
Don't count out Fords 4 banger just yet...Ya'll just might be eating some crow!

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My biggest issue with this thread is that the OP is exaggerating reliability quite a bit, and then the comments reply with examples of turbo cars with completely different technologies than the ecoboost and with no records of how most of those cars were driven.

Hence, with that aside I Think it's best we focus on what we know. Currently all Ecoboost engines suffer from pre-mature Carbon build up. Don't believe me look at any F-150/Fusion ecoboost forums. We all know the effects of carbon build up and what it will do in the long run so i don't need to explain that. As it stands Ford hasn't done much to solve the problem but most shops will manually clean where ever you may have deposit build ups if you ask. The issue is.. that will not be a problem on either the V6 or V8 models. Hence, the question is will Ford either find a way to rectify the situation or will they leave it. After awhile Shops are going to start charging high dollar for that service and making individuals question whether a few dollars in gas/insurance was worth it.

Both sides make noteworthy points here, but i think there are a few things we are just outright ignoring too.
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Grom80's gripes have no basis in fact, so they are 100% his personal assumptions.

GM has recently been caught selling its customers vehicles with serious design flaws, and I seriously doubt that the Ford Motor Company would follow GM into the toilet by offering the Eco-Boost engine with a poor engine life.

The Eco-Boost engine has been on the street for a while in various Ford cars, and not once have I read or heard any rumor that the Eco-Boost engine is a failure.

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If you look at the "engine preference thread," you will see that only about 11% of the people on the board prefer the 4cyl engine. It isn't too exciting for "car enthusiasts," which is predominantly the population of this board. So there really isn't much to say......

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Grom80's gripes have no basis in fact, so they are 100% his personal assumptions.

GM has recently been caught selling its customers vehicles with serious design flaws, and I seriously doubt that the Ford Motor Company would follow GM into the toilet by offering the Eco-Boost engine with a poor engine life.

The Eco-Boost engine has been on the street for a while in various Ford cars, and not once have I read or heard any rumor that the Eco-Boost engine is a failure.
It's too early to say the Eco-boost engine is a failure, but there are numerous threads of the eco-boost engines receiving carbon Build up causing poor idling till warm up or in some cases predetonation. There are even Videos of it on YT. When we start seeing more hit the 150k Mark we should have a better understanding. I still think both sides of this thread are jumping the gun
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It's too much of a long shot trying to figure out how the reliability of the 2.3 is going to be.

There are MANY reliable turbo cars from factory...and many not so reliable ones. It's true...there are a lot more things that can go wrong with them compared to N/A engines or even PD boosted ones...leaks especially. Also, over the years, the engines do get a little more "tired". This won't stop it from being a potentially great engine, though.

The only gripe I have with the new 2.3 is the mileage...which I can't wait to see when released, especially under the new guidelines. Anyone who has owned or driven a turbo knows, that going into boost, even a little bit, EATS fuel. Real world mileage will be a BIG factor.


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