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I have a n/a 96 Cobra with 110k. When applying Seafoam through the nozzle on the plenum, at what rate (minutes?) should it be sucked in. Yes, I'm attempting to restore power by removing years of carbon buildup. Is hydrolock-ing a concern?

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IMHP...I would avoid Seafoam like the plague......Seafoam is a "Highly Corrosive" product and isclearly spelled out in the MSDS....something I would not have any desire toexpose to fuel injectors, sensors (including O2) & hoses of any type. Thereare those that will state "Used it for years & no problem", andvery true, but it simply violates every basic OEM specified maintenance/repairprocedure & law of chemistry in the books..... no mfg including domestic & imports (including BMW,MB, Porsche) advises using any product like this (or similar) for any servicework on a fuel injected system. Documented damage goes back decades.


There is lot of things that many people do to their engines,that is well document "Not to do"..............like I said, it'sbasic chemistry........that which we were all taught......with any product likethis, always read the MSDS.....


Seafoam contains


1. Pale oil......cheaprefinery distillate (Why somebody would fog their cat and o2 sensors withplumes of lubricant is beyond me as this is what destroys/clogs up cats)


2. Napthalene......whichis dry cleaning fluid, an Aromatic which means it is a "toxin"affecting directly the liver, kidneys, spleen, etc.


3. Isopropylalcohol......not good for an engine (as this is alcohol and water


http://seafoamsales.com/wp-content/u...seafoam_EN.pdf


As listed under "Other important hazards", It alsohas "teratogenic" properties......Meaning there is an effect uponyour DNA...meaning you are ok but you future kids come out "screwedup", cell structure abnormalities, cancers, etc....and yes, you aresucking this in when it dumps out your exhaust pipe....or if you are drivingdown the road to clear it out, to your neighbor whose behind you....and thereis "no cure" for this.


Listed under "Hazardous Combustion Products"(meaning when its burning), it produces sulpher oxides (just what youwant....feeding sulpher particulates into the cats) & phosphoruscompounds.....this is not even close to being "good" for any plastic,o-ring, metal (like pistons, piston rings, residual that might bypass thepiston rings and make it into the oil, e-sensor, the honey-combs inside thecat's). While the MSDS does not spec the ph of the product, if you measure theexhaust at the point of discharge, you'll crap in your pants when you see theph change…..and for those who may think that the engine combustion will burnall this up....remember, poisons are destroyed at 1,800 degrees and toxins aredestroyed at 2,500 degrees F......not even the cats are close to this.


Ultimately, the only way to really clean all the carbon deposits off the valves, etc. is to conduct an intake/exhaust chamber cleaning with high pressure using crushed walnuts.. which few companies have any experience with....


The other is to locate an BG "Service Center" (ie a shop that has been trained and owns the BG products intake cleaning system...and yes they have them in your area...including new car dealers)


For general maintenance, 1/2 oz of acetone per gallon of gasoline is an excellent cleaning agent and fuel stabilizer.... it adds 1 oxygen molecule to the "mix' so to speak and helps keep fuel fresh and cleans the cats as well.

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There is nothing wrong with using Seafoam. Beechkid, have you looked at whats in BG products?

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Regarding the OP's question: I think you just listen to the engine and when it sounds like it is about to die, stop spraying or slow down

Regarding Beechkid's cautions: I understand and I wouldn't want corrosives or solvents sitting in my engine for a long time; but quick/short term use shouldn't cause a lot of damage and even though it might not clean out all the carbon it's a heckuva lot easier than taking the whole thing apart to clean it out mechanically.

I assume BG must be equally nasty, or nastier, otherwise it wouldn't work either.

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There is nothing wrong with using Seafoam. Beechkid, have you looked at whats in BG products?
Yes, the application is much different and the composition is based on actual science...……….. unlike seafoam which is nothing more than pour this mix of chemicals into your engine...… and you are placing a fraction of the BG chemicals into the system and allowing them to vaporize whereas the Seafoam is being poured or sucked in as a liquid..... and if you look at the specific equipment used to "inject" the BG products …. it's much more than a hose and a gauge...….it's metered, controlled and measured.

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Regarding the OP's question: I think you just listen to the engine and when it sounds like it is about to die, stop spraying or slow down

Regarding Beechkid's cautions: I understand and I wouldn't want corrosives or solvents sitting in my engine for a long time; but quick/short term use shouldn't cause a lot of damage and even though it might not clean out all the carbon it's a heckuva lot easier than taking the whole thing apart to clean it out mechanically.

I assume BG must be equally nasty, or nastier, otherwise it wouldn't work either.

see my response below...rrr I mean above!

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I worked at a car dealership where the greedy management bought into the merits of BG products as a profit center. They mandated that all used cars be subjected to the process before being sold. I doubt that they were, but it showed up as a charge for the service in the costs at $150 a pop.

Do you know how we decarbonned engine when I was a kid? We poured 16oz of water down the carb with the engine running at a raised idle. It basically steam cleaned the insides. No magic to it.
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Do you know how we decarbonned engine when I was a kid? We poured 16oz of water down the carb with the engine running at a raised idle. It basically steam cleaned the insides. No magic to it.


Yes I remember and I ran a spearco water vapor injector when the gas octane dropped from 97 to 93 (180 psi @ 10.3 CR does ping a tad)…. but here is the difference, if you were to do that (water) annually, yeah, it would keep things a bit cleaner but, the non-lead fuel... the carbon composition is much, much harder than we ever saw....this was only seen in the GNX turbo V6's...there the crush walnut machines 1st came to into play.....and yes, I have a very strong background in chemistry, and if you very closely read the BG product specific SDS, you will see a few things such as the absence of "Pale Oil", etc..... and again, one of the dangers of seafoam is if it does dissolve /breakup the carbon deposits, where are they going after they leave the combustion chamber.....those chunks no matter how small are going right to the cats..... and clogging them up because the particulates are too large to travel through the honeycombs.... so they block flow...they cause increased soot inside the cats and hello- can you say "New Cats".
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Here's the thing: If your engine is running well, why would you put weird stuff in the oil and fuel? A well tuned engine does not need anything beyond basic maintenance to run perfectly, with no carbon buildup.

If your engine is NOT running well, does it make sense to introduce new random additives, or does it make more sense to fix the problem?

Seafoam is not likely to have any tremendous positive, or negative effect. You can do the "hope my engine tune gets better" hula dance and have about the same results, while saving some money. Seafoam makes a lot of claims, which I have seen tested in person, by someone else that bought into the claims. In my opinion, this product is highly effective at only one thing: removing money from the pockets of gullible people.
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So, I can easily find the MSDS for Seafoam,,, but not for BG products. Where are they at?

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