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Is Morana a complete joke scam artist or am I missing something? Because he has that TB on the OUTPUT of the blower.
I think what Morana was trying to do is legit. He's not a scam artist. And I don't care how much you think you know, if it wasn't for people like him, we wouldn't have half the V6 technology that we do. As far as the pulley setup, all you need to do is run the serpentine belt from the opposite side of the motor for it to spin backwards. Yes, you need an 8 rib setup, but that's a given with either an M90 or M112.......


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I think what Morana was trying to do is legit. He's not a scam artist. And I don't care how much you think you know, if it wasn't for people like him, we wouldn't have half the V6 technology that we do. As far as the pulley setup, all you need to do is run the serpentine belt from the opposite side of the motor for it to spin backwards. Yes, you need an 8 rib setup, but that's a given with either an M90 or M112.......
His box intake seems legit... I give him credit for that. And maybe he pioneered some na h/c/i combos. My hats off to him for that too.

What exactly do you mean "opposite side of the motor?" Also how are you going to drive the SC pulley when it lands several inches inboard of the regular serpentine pulley? Right smack dab where all your accessory brackets are?

Cobbling together some junkyard parts just enough to take some pics and not even have it functional...... that's hardly "new technology." This is probably my favorite example.......(click link) $1200 for this!? Clearly this is just a hunk of billet just sitting there and nothing at all is drilled. How functional is the center TB going to be? LOL. What kind of transition will the air be making with the other TBs?



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What exactly do you mean "opposite side of the motor?" Also how are you going to drive the SC pulley when it lands several inches inboard of the regular serpentine pulley? Right smack dab where all your accessory brackets are?
perhaps he took that into account when he built it and set the blower a little more forward than on a stock supercoupe?

Why are you like, attacking/targeting this guy though?

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perhaps he took that into account when he built it and set the blower a little more forward than on a stock supercoupe?

Why are you like, attacking/targeting this guy though?
No, he didn't. Anyone who is first hand familiar with the sc engines would clearly see that. I've personally wrenched on at least 10 of these engines. You can see it bolted onto the factory bolt boss on the Morana page. Feel free to google a pic and reference the position of the blower to the water outlet.

Why are you like defending/jocking this guy though?

Half this custom **** he appears to be selling for big $ will NOT work. If it can somehow be made to work, it will take major additional fab work to the extent that you may as well start from scratch. Wouldn't you be pissed if you bought something you thought was a bolt on and you find out you have just a small piece of the puzzle? Theres people on ebay who have sold just the T-bird sc M90 blower and manifold without the other 80% of the system and lie their ass off and claim it to be a simple bolt on. It makes me rage.

Maybe Morana would not actually process an order for these. Maybe he would fully explain to any potential customers that major fab work would be necessary. Maybe he thought these concoctions would bring traffic and attention to his site. I would love for him to chime in here.
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Also I love his disclaimer on his site:

Due to the intended use of the products, that being high performance and competitive racing, they are sold without any expressed warranty of merchantability or fitness for the intended purpose. These products are sold on an �as-is� basis, and no warranties of any kind, whether written or oral are made by Morana Racing, and it's agents, dealers, or employees. All implied warranties of merchantability of fitness are expressly excluded, and the buyer bears the entire risk as to quality performance and use of these products.

That to me says there is no guarantee of any kind for it to fit or work in the manner in which it is represented. Also zero warranty on the M90 blowers he is selling lol.
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i like playing devil's advocate... i don't believe he's a member here. you should email him on his site if you're so concerned about if it works.. but POLITELY otherwise he probably wont respond (that means don't call it junkyard trash made by a tweaker lol)

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No, he didn't. Anyone who is first hand familiar with the sc engines would clearly see that. I've personally wrenched on at least 10 of these engines. You can see it bolted onto the factory bolt boss on the Morana page. Feel free to google a pic and reference the position of the blower to the water outlet.

Why are you like defending/jocking this guy though?

Half this custom **** he appears to be selling for big $ will NOT work. If it can somehow be made to work, it will take major additional fab work to the extent that you may as well start from scratch. Wouldn't you be pissed if you bought something you thought was a bolt on and you find out you have just a small piece of the puzzle? Theres people on ebay who have sold just the T-bird sc M90 blower and manifold without the other 80% of the system and lie their ass off and claim it to be a simple bolt on. It makes me rage.

Maybe Morana would not actually process an order for these. Maybe he would fully explain to any potential customers that major fab work would be necessary. Maybe he thought these concoctions would bring traffic and attention to his site. I would love for him to chime in here.
I own a Supercoupe, and I'm very familiar on how it works. If you want to spin an accessory in a reverse rotation, you need to do 1 of 2 things. Either add a smooth pulley, which is not an option here, or take a longer belt and run it from the other side of the motor.

Think of it this way, on the V6's, it goes from crank,ps, alt, idler, AC, tensioner, backside waterpump, and back to crank. If you wanted to spin the alternator in a different direction, you would go crank, ps, idler, AC, tensioner, alt, crank. There are a few logistics to figure out, but you get the idea on how to spin accessories differently......

He also might be selling it because he can't figure it out, or doesn't have the time to, but was hoping someone would......

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I own a Supercoupe, and I'm very familiar on how it works. If you want to spin an accessory in a reverse rotation, you need to do 1 of 2 things. Either add a smooth pulley, which is not an option here, or take a longer belt and run it from the other side of the motor.

Think of it this way, on the V6's, it goes from crank,ps, alt, idler, AC, tensioner, backside waterpump, and back to crank. If you wanted to spin the alternator in a different direction, you would go crank, ps, idler, AC, tensioner, alt, crank. There are a few logistics to figure out, but you get the idea on how to spin accessories differently......

He also might be selling it because he can't figure it out, or doesn't have the time to, but was hoping someone would......
As long as you still have ribs to ribs and smooth to smooth it is physically impossible anything can be reversed. I was even going to paint your example on top of a stock routing diagram... won't work....... you didn't account for the wp.

Look at the 5 various belt routings 5.0 guys use when the delete various combinations of accessories. Several of these change the order of two successive accessories; thus changing the routing to the other side of the motor as you said. Accessories still spin correct. - https://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ch_50belts.jpg

Stock V6 diagram: http://serpentinebeltdiagrams.com/wp...630&h=250&zc=1

Also slong those lines, note that Vortech makes CCW head units specifically for mod applications because they have to mount it backwards and in front of the mod engine. There is no room to mount it next to the engine like the smaller pushrods. If there was a way to reverse the belt rotation I'm sure they would have done that instead of building separate head units.
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A couple quick things:

Morana puts that disclaimer there because there are idiots who do not listen, and screw up their car and try to blame it on him. Some of the guys here know the horror stories the GSS goes through.
How about someone paying $7000.00 for a motor, installing it, not priming it because he didn't read the provided instructions, driving it down the road only to blow it up because it was not oiling? Who's fault would that be? This did not happen to us, but it happened to one of the other companies out there.

Okay, now in your diagrams, take the whole left side of the belt diagram off, add a pulley to center of the diagram, then swap around pullies or add a pulley and bracket somewhere to reverse rotate you SC. On our cars, we have deleted the PS, AC, and tensioner. We removed the 6-rib tensioner pulley and put the pulley on the idler bracket.

Do not forget, we can fab up just about anything, it is just about time/money/knowledge. Nobody ever said anything about keeping all the accessories or creature comforts, nor did we say it was going to be installed on a daily driver.

I know Vortech/Procharger wanted their units to be as plug and play as possible because most people are not mechanics, but wanted a supercharger. They also need to consider that most wanted a supercharger and creature comforts. Not everybody plays by those rules......

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Hey metalman302, do you have a link to your site where your spending your time and or money on coming up with new innovations for the 3.8 v6 community?? I would really like to see what you've came up with since you seem to hate on Tom M.

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Dude, I've been modding SN95 mustangs for half the time you've been alive sonny boy. Look me up at the corral under the same username. I joined over there when you were 11. lol

I'm all for creativity. I have pictures saved of about 10 different FUNCTIONAL DIY Eaton setups on various vehicles. I'm in the middle of planning one myself...
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Hey metalman302, do you have a link to your site where your spending your time and or money on coming up with new innovations for the 3.8 v6 community?? I would really like to see what you've came up with since you seem to hate on Tom M.
+1 I'd love to see some pics of the 10 Eaton setups. My long-term plan is to try to put an M112 on my single port...

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Hey metalman302, do you have a link to your site where your spending your time and or money on coming up with new innovations for the 3.8 v6 community?? I would really like to see what you've came up with since you seem to hate on Tom M.
What good is a "new innovation" if it is not better than what is already available, or if it does not work at all? Where is any flow data on anything of his? CFM? Port velocity? Flow differential between ports? Before and after dynos? Where is his shop car? Where is all the people on the forum using his stuff? If his **** is so great what do you have of his on your car? OHV pushrod technology is OLD... someone's not going to come out with a new parts with will magically blow everything else away.

I'm not an engineer. I support our hobby by buying legitimate products that real manufacturers make. And by real, I I'm not talking a large company vs a small operation. I mean someone who's stuff works and is supported with data and subsequently, user feedback.

I've made plenty of contributions to the Mustang community knowledge base. I don't have any formal writeups but I've put plenty of info on various forums over the years for people who know how to use the search function. How about how to rewire your AODE harness when doing a T5 swap to avoid having to locate and buy another harness... is that innovative enough? Or the poor man's junkyard aluminum driveshaft that is already the correct length?
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+1 I'd love to see some pics of the 10 Eaton setups. My long-term plan is to try to put an M112 on my single port...
These are mostly 5.0s but as you know they're pretty similar. There is a M112 setup also.

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