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Exclamation 2002 V6 3.8L Mustang Mods?

Hi, i was just given a (AUTOMATIC (yea... i know... )Mustang for my birthday/christmas/congrats on the license...

I'm looking into modifying some of the parts to performance parts, and was looking for some information on what to do right off the bat.

I've been told to modify 4 things to start out

1. Put in a cold air intake.
I was told to look at K&N, but after browsing the forums, i've noticed a lot of you have different brands, etc. Please guide me on the advantages and disadvantages of certain CAI's. My auto teacher also told me that some of the intakes are actually pointed down towards the road, or backwards towards the engine block, so I really don't know a lot about cars, anyway, just help me out with what the best options for that would be please

2. Change exhaust system
They've told me to change(or add?) exhaust headers coming out of the exhaust manifold to enlarge the amount of exhaust coming off the engine, and then add a dual exhaust... now, i've also heard that i need to change the body if i'm getting dual exhausts because the v6mustang bodys are only set up for single... is that true? and if so, how would i go about converting a single to dual exhaust (PLEASE keep in mind, i'm RETARTED when it comes to cars, and probably won't understand what you mean by X or H pipe. Also, do i need 2 cat's, one for each pipe? would'nt that LESSEN horsepower?

3. Performance chip
They told me to go to a dealership and have them custom make a performance chip for me, preferably one that takes off the governor that everyone complained about on mustangs lol. I don't really know anything about chips, but someone said to get a diablo chip... i don't know where to find them, and im lookin for the best deal, so once again, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

4. Throttle body
I don't know anything about this, or even what it does, but my auto teacher said this should be swapped out for a performance part...

Thank you a thousand times for offering me your help and reading my post, I'm really glad to become a member here.

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Hi, i was just given a (AUTOMATIC (yea... i know... )Mustang for my birthday/christmas/congrats on the license...

I'm looking into modifying some of the parts to performance parts, and was looking for some information on what to do right off the bat.

I've been told to modify 4 things to start out

1. Put in a cold air intake.
I was told to look at K&N, but after browsing the forums, i've noticed a lot of you have different brands, etc. Please guide me on the advantages and disadvantages of certain CAI's. My auto teacher also told me that some of the intakes are actually pointed down towards the road, or backwards towards the engine block, so I really don't know a lot about cars, anyway, just help me out with what the best options for that would be please

2. Change exhaust system
They've told me to change(or add?) exhaust headers coming out of the exhaust manifold to enlarge the amount of exhaust coming off the engine, and then add a dual exhaust... now, i've also heard that i need to change the body if i'm getting dual exhausts because the v6mustang bodys are only set up for single... is that true? and if so, how would i go about converting a single to dual exhaust (PLEASE keep in mind, i'm RETARTED when it comes to cars, and probably won't understand what you mean by X or H pipe. Also, do i need 2 cat's, one for each pipe? would'nt that LESSEN horsepower?

3. Performance chip
They told me to go to a dealership and have them custom make a performance chip for me, preferably one that takes off the governor that everyone complained about on mustangs lol. I don't really know anything about chips, but someone said to get a diablo chip... i don't know where to find them, and im lookin for the best deal, so once again, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

4. Throttle body
I don't know anything about this, or even what it does, but my auto teacher said this should be swapped out for a performance part...

Thank you a thousand times for offering me your help and reading my post, I'm really glad to become a member here.

-sLiPpY
Well, your shop teacher doesn't know much about the six.

1st thing you need is a budget, 2nd thing you'll need are goals. From that you can put together a plan.

CAI - do you want best performance, best performance AFTER other mods, looks (As in Chrome), or cheapest.

Best all around intake is the DenseCharger www.tunableinduction.com www.demolet.com or www.densecharger.com (1 of those will work). Best with NO OTHER mods is the K&N FIPK II.

JLT looks promising, too, but I haven't seen any numbers.

The densecharger will support 250+ hp, the K&N will start to restrict performance around 225 hp at the wheels.

For looks, you can go for one of the chrome intakes, but heat sink will kill your performance on hot days, and when the engine gets hot - then they won't perform any better than a K&N drop in filter.

Underdriver pulleys should be one of the 1st things you do. They extend the life of your accessories, will give you better mileage, and free up the MOST hp of any mod short of tearing the engine down.

You're not going to flow any better than the tubular exhaust manifolds already on the car without a better cam & flow through the heads. Headers are a wasste of time, unless you do a port and polish, valve job, and swap cams, or you're running N2O.

Going to dual exhaust after the catalytic converters will free up some hp, but if you go larger than 2.25" on the diameter, you'll LOSE hp & tq, because you've moved the powerband out of the ability of the cam to make power. If you want to make more than 250 hp, go with the 2.5" pipes, and suffer until you can do the P&P work, and swap cams. THe cats don't hinder flow on the six, in fact the danger is flowing too much and losing low end hp & tq. LEave the cats alone.

1.8RRs work well. they generally run 250 dollars or so, and on a bang for buck scale are slightly behind the Underdrivers and a good intake.

Chip - It's not needed until you get 3+ mods on the engine, otherwise you've spent a lot of money (if you buy it new) for 5 hp. THe stock computer is pretty elastic in it's programming. Just remember to disconnect the battery after your mod, then drive it like he** the next 6 times you start the engine.
If you get a CAI + Exhaust, you can consider it, otherwise, save it for later when it'll mean something.

Throttle-body - not necessary until you've done a LOT of mods, or you're running N2O. You can lose hp by swapping to one that's too big, because you'll lose intake velocity, and create dead spots in the intake.

Next, get a GT or Cobra takeoff rear sway bar (or any other sway bar), you'll get better traction off the line, and you'll be able to put the power down more effectively in turns.

You should also get subframe connectors, to preserve the body integrity, and the above reasons.

hope that helps!


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slippy ,

maybe the K&N and a set of underdriver pullies to start with . As far as the other items you listed they will not help alot till you make some other mods . Look through some of the pages of the forum and do some reading . There is ALOT of information that will help you . And then you can also show your auto teacher what things are !

Their are many threads on here about exhaust and pipe size , proformance chips and throttle body replacement .

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can't find the densecharger anywhere.. i've seen a few pictures of it, but no place that sells it except an auction on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...spagenameZWDVW

that doesnt specify if this is for my type of mustang, plus i'm EXTREMELY hesitant to buy something like this off of ebay... anyone know a spot i might be able to score this 'densecharger'?, and is it the best choice?


is this what you meant?

which do i want

System # 3:Part # 940238MF


94-04 3.8 V6
[3] piece ABS " plastic intake pipes with CNC'd MAF Flange!

[1] MAF to factory hose coupler
[1] Polycarbonate high gloss black unbreakable cover plates
[1] Raven Black/Chrome Decal
[1]
Green Filter #2024 ($45. retail price, lifetime warranty, stainless steel end cap)
OEM Sensor Safe Permatex Instructions and Bulletins

Price:$92 Delivered


6 NGK Spark plugs available for an additional $12. Price good with System purchase only. Contact for details.

Order System #3


http://www.tunableinduction.com/img/sys3-210d_small.jpg


System # 3D:Part # 990238FL


99-04 3.8 V6 Full Length System
[4] piece ABS " plastic intake pipes with CNC'd MAF Flange!

[1] Polycarbonate high gloss black unbreakable cover plates
[1] Raven Black/Chrome Decal
[1]
Green Filter #2024 ($45. retail price, lifetime warranty, stainless steel end cap)
OEM Sensor Safe Permatex Instructions and Bulletins


Price:$169.00 Delivered

6 NGK Spark plugs available for an additional $12. Price good with System purchase only. Contact for details or to add Carbon Fiber..
http://www.tunableinduction.com/img/sys3D-213d.jpg


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also, whats the difference between the expensive one and inexpensive one... i dont understand what replacing or not replacing the mass air filter or whatever the thing is called does...once again im really really uneducated when it comes to cars so sorry
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can't find the densecharger anywhere.. i've seen a few pictures of it, but no place that sells it except an auction on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...spagenameZWDVW

that doesnt specify if this is for my type of mustang, plus i'm EXTREMELY hesitant to buy something like this off of ebay... anyone know a spot i might be able to score this 'densecharger'?, and is it the best choice?


is this what you meant?

which do i want

System # 3:Part # 940238MF


94-04 3.8 V6
[3] piece ABS " plastic intake pipes with CNC'd MAF Flange!

[1] MAF to factory hose coupler
[1] Polycarbonate high gloss black unbreakable cover plates
[1] Raven Black/Chrome Decal
[1]
Green Filter #2024 ($45. retail price, lifetime warranty, stainless steel end cap)
OEM Sensor Safe Permatex Instructions and Bulletins

Price:$92 Delivered


6 NGK Spark plugs available for an additional $12. Price good with System purchase only. Contact for details.

Order System #3


http://www.tunableinduction.com/img/sys3-210d_small.jpg


System # 3D:Part # 990238FL


99-04 3.8 V6 Full Length System
[4] piece ABS " plastic intake pipes with CNC'd MAF Flange!

[1] Polycarbonate high gloss black unbreakable cover plates
[1] Raven Black/Chrome Decal
[1]
Green Filter #2024 ($45. retail price, lifetime warranty, stainless steel end cap)
OEM Sensor Safe Permatex Instructions and Bulletins


Price:$169.00 Delivered

6 NGK Spark plugs available for an additional $12. Price good with System purchase only. Contact for details or to add Carbon Fiber..
http://www.tunableinduction.com/img/sys3D-213d.jpg


one of them isn't full length. you want the full-length system. the short unit is ok for 94-98s.

I got mine off of e-bay, it was fine.

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hey kscoyote, i was wonderin if u knew where the best place is to get underdrive pullys (25% reduction) or what is a good size for performance injectors and where to get them. Thanks

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hey kscoyote, i was wonderin if u knew where the best place is to get underdrive pullys (25% reduction) or what is a good size for performance injectors and where to get them. Thanks
The cheapest I've seen are at either www.rpm-mustangs.com or www.rpmoutlet.com

42% will get you more hp, and the only place to get the 42% reduction pulleys are at rpmoutlet.com

You don't need injectors unless you're going turbo or supercharged.

Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
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one of them isn't full length. you want the full-length system. the short unit is ok for 94-98s.

I got mine off of e-bay, it was fine.
would it help at all to get the NGK spark plugs? or is it not worth it :P
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would it help at all to get the NGK spark plugs? or is it not worth it :P
They're upgrades, but not worth much . .. The price is good, though. You can always get 'em cheap and sell on ebay!

I sold my stock air intake, my old open rear, etc on ebay . . .

auto dealers always want takeoffs to return cars to stock, and everyone's looking for a deal!

just charge $5.00 for shipping plus your cost on the spark plugs, and you'll probably make a little profit.

If you sell your old intake, charge 15-20 dollars on shipping, to make sure you recoup your money on shipping + box + gas, and you may be surprised at how cheap modding is.

I think I got 50 dollars for my stock intake + I cleared $5.00 on shipping and handling charges.

Total net cost to me after purchasing the new intake and selling my old stuff was around $90.

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We use only the Racing GREEN FILTERS with our systems,
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which are not legal for sale or use on pollution controlled vehicles.



does that mean ima fail inspection/ get arrested if a cop looks under the hood/ be ableto brag i have illegal racing modifications to my stang?
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We use only the Racing GREEN FILTERS with our systems,
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which are not legal for sale or use on pollution controlled vehicles.



does that mean ima fail inspection/ get arrested if a cop looks under the hood/ be ableto brag i have illegal racing modifications to my stang?
It just means they haven't gotten EPA certification yet.

I doubt any cop is going to know the difference between a Green filter and a K&N, unless you're in California.

I doubt they'll care, even if they do, outside of Cali



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and also will this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SAVE-...QQcmdZViewItem
be better than the intake im now planning on getting above?

or, can i add it to the new intake once it's installed?

or will it be completely pointless

or will it take away performance

(looks kinda fake to me...)
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and also will this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SAVE-...QQcmdZViewItem
be better than the intake im now planning on getting above?

or, can i add it to the new intake once it's installed?

or will it be completely pointless

or will it take away performance

(looks kinda fake to me...)
what's this?

Oh I see it now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SAVE-GAS-16-HP-Ford-Crown-Victoria-Mustang-31-MPG_W0QQitemZ8015315738QQcategoryZ42604QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SAVE-GAS-16-HP-Ford-Crown-Victoria-Mustang-31-MPG_W0QQitemZ8015315738QQcategoryZ42604QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

It's crap.

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It restricts the flow, so it will harm performance.


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