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i have a 87 gt that is all stock besides cold air kit and short shifter. my plan is too buy a 302 block and build an engine up while keeping the one in my daily driver. im 19 so i will be doing ths over a few months paychecks but i want a supercharged 302 that makes about 4 to 500 hp ive got money nd time so that not a issue. i want your experianced knowledge of what cam, pistons, etc. to use in this build i planned on boreing it .30 over to start but i dont know if i should all opionions welcome i want a full engine build sheet so i know what i should buy. right now im working on the car getting 3.73 gears posi lock and 31 spine axles beefing up the suspension to handle this let me know what you guys think
 

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Check out my setup. I would get a comp cam though. Some otehr things to change would be a girdle, head studs, Arp bolts, steel head gaskets, since you are building from new.
 

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i have a 87 gt that is all stock besides cold air kit and short shifter. my plan is too buy a 302 block and build an engine up while keeping the one in my daily driver. im 19 so i will be doing ths over a few months paychecks but i want a supercharged 302 that makes about 4 to 500 hp ive got money nd time so that not a issue. i want your experianced knowledge of what cam, pistons, etc. to use in this build i planned on boreing it .30 over to start but i dont know if i should all opionions welcome i want a full engine build sheet so i know what i should buy. right now im working on the car getting 3.73 gears posi lock and 31 spine axles beefing up the suspension to handle this let me know what you guys think
To start with I'm more of a turbo guy(no offense supercharger junkies) so I can't speak to what supercharger you should get. With any forced induction application you should go with a good set of forged pistons like some JE's or Wiseco's. And more importantly your pushing the limit and edging towards block splitting horsepower there if you want to make those kind of numbers with a 302 block. If you got the money forget the 302 and get a 351w block there a heck of a lot stronger and just as cheap at a junkyard. You only want to bore it out as much as necessary you'll have to leave that up to the machine shop only they'll know. With the cam you usually want a custom grind for forced induction. You'll have to contact someone like compcams and tell them all the details of your motor and get one ground for your application. A stock 351w crank and should be ok for those kind of power numbers but you'd want the rotating assembly balanced. You might want to get some stronger rods like some h-beams since forced induction put's a lot of strain on the rods and can bend them in some cases.
 

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i love the way the terminators sound so i like supers and to me they seem easier to put on with better power but what does everyone else think stick with a 302 or go 351 and if i did go 351 how much suff would i have to change
 

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i love the way the terminators sound so i like supers and to me they seem easier to put on with better power but what does everyone else think stick with a 302 or go 351 and if i did go 351 how much suff would i have to change
You can google a search about the strength of stock 302 blocks or use the search button on this forum to see that this has been well hashed out before:deadhorse: The general consensus of not just this forum but all the other mustang forums is that above 400 horsepower or so turns a stock 302 block into a ticking time bomb:blowingup:I know I've already pestered people on this site before as well as on stangnet and all the other mustang sites that's why I'm putting a 351w in my 95 gt. A 351w swap is stupid easy they use the same bellhousing, clutch, accessory brackets/timing cover, firing order/pcm. You'll need a set of 351w swap headers and bcbroncos.com makes a adaptor that'll let you use a stock 5.0 upper intake with a 351w efi lower. I'm using one and my 351w fits under my stock strut tower brace meaning it could've fit under my stock hood(have a y2k cobra r hood now). Just google 351w swap and you'll see a myriad of articles and write ups on how to do it. If your going to spend the money to build another motor for that kind of power it'd be to put it bluntly a waste of time to get another stock 302 block. If you were throwing $1000+ on a ford racing or a dart 302 aftermarket block that'd be different but spending money on another weak factory 302 block isn't a wise move. You might as well save your time and toss the supercharger on the 302 you have now. I know DSS says their main cap girdle will strengthen the block but everyone I've talked to including pro drag racers on forums like hardcore5.0 and turbomustangs.com would call bs on that any day(all that thing does is protect the internals when the block cracks). You be hard pressed to find one credible drag racer or engine builder that would suggest those kind of power levels on a stock 302 block. Now a stock 351w block with a balanced rotating assembly's good for up to around 6-700ish with the right tune. The 351w's a hell of a lot beefier and can be stroked out to a 427 and make 4-500 with natural aspiration!
 

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so should i buy a crate 302 or a junkyard 351
If it's a stronger aftermarket block it'd be ok but some crate motors use a stock block so you gotta watch out. A junkyard 351 would be a lot cheaper and would be more than strong enough for your power goals. I'd only get the crate motor if you don't like having to make trips to the machine shop to get the 351w cleaned up or you just really like the 302(i liked mine but realized it had to go it's just too weak). A block like this is what you'd need for constant power levels above 400hp but as you can see it's 1800 just for the bare block. A 351w can be had for a couple hundred bucks most of the time at a junkyard and machining usually runs around 4-600 depending on the condition of the motor. Don't forget you'll need to upgrade the tranny too the t5's and most of the automatics(maybe some auto's can) can't really handle that kind of power for too long. I think a t5 is pretty much only good to about 350hp or so maybe less in a non-wc model.
 

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A lot of people jump into stuff too fast and try to make a lot of power with the stock 302 without realizing how weak it is(i know i did). I loved my 5.0 it's just weak in the main webbing area you can easily see the difference when you set the blocks side by side.
 

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you don't need a supercharger to make 400-500 hp, only a really good stroker 347 build...it's really the way to go in the "bang for the buck" arena...do some research on stroker motors and start working on that...personally I'd not build anything, but merely place a call to a reputable builder and have them ship you the engine...that way your down time and hassle are greatly reduced when you decide to do the swap...good luck, have fun
PS I'm seeing fully built Foxes on Ebay with 347s for $6600, so don't overlook just selling you car and buying someone else's money pit...a great way to save a bundle
 

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you don't need a supercharger to make 400-500 hp, only a really good stroker 347 build...it's really the way to go in the "bang for the buck" arena...do some research on stroker motors and start working on that...personally I'd not build anything, but merely place a call to a reputable builder and have them ship you the engine...that way your down time and hassle are greatly reduced when you decide to do the swap...good luck, have fun
PS I'm seeing fully built Foxes on Ebay with 347s for $6600, so don't overlook just selling you car and buying someone else's money pit...a great way to save a bundle
I second that you don't forced induction to get to 4-500hp but why stop with a 347 when he could have a 427 like you:bigthumbsup I mean if he's gonna have a motor professionally built I can't see a 427 being a whole lot more than a 347.
 

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Trust me it ALL adds up really quick.:bigthumbsup
 

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i looked at stroker kits but i think im gonna get aa 351 junkyard motor and just build it up over time i love working on cars and ya i been seeing the mustangs on ebay but i like the fac that the mustang i own has neverbeen abused the lady owned it since 90 and did nothing to it but the ones on ebay who knows but i love workin on cars im mechanic in the airforce so thats not a problem and as supercharging it i just love the sound and te power you can get
 

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Ah, the Chairforce.

Bunch of hard workers. Those golf clubs must be heavy!

:kooky:

In all seriousness, a 351 will suit your need. It will be a little bit more expensive than a 302 but your only other choice is to risk splitting a stock block or purchase an expensive aftermarket block.

And FYI, you can get more power out of a turbo. They are also more efficient. :)

Positive-displacement superchargers may absorb as much as a third of the total crankshaft power of the engine, and, in many applications, are less efficient than turbochargers. In applications for which engine response and power are more important than any other consideration, such as top-fuel dragsters and vehicles used in tractor pulling competitions, positive-displacement superchargers are very common.
There are three main categories of superchargers for automotive use:

  • Centrifugal turbochargers – driven from exhaust gases.
  • Centrifugal superchargers – driven directly by the engine via a belt-drive.
  • Positive displacement pumps – such as the Roots, Twin Screw(Lysholm), and TVS(Eaton) blowers.
The thermal efficiency, or fraction of the fuel/air energy that is converted to output power, is less with a mechanically driven supercharger than with a turbocharger, because turbochargers are using energy from the exhaust gases that would normally be wasted. For this reason, both the economy and the power of a turbocharged engine are usually better than with superchargers. The main advantage of an engine with a mechanically driven supercharger is better throttle response, as well as the ability to reach full-boost pressure instantaneously. With the latest turbocharging technology, throttle response on turbocharged cars is nearly as good as with mechanically powered superchargers, but the existing lag time is still considered a major drawback, especially considering that the vast majority of mechanically driven superchargers are now driven off clutched pulleys, much like an air compressor.
Turbochargers suffer (to a greater or lesser extent) from so-called turbo-spool (turbo lag; more correctly, boost lag), in which initial acceleration from low RPM is limited by the lack of sufficient exhaust gas mass flow (pressure). Once engine RPM is sufficient to start the turbine spinning, there is a rapid increase in power, as higher turbo boost causes more exhaust gas production, which spins the turbo yet faster, leading to a belated "surge" of acceleration. This makes the maintenance of smoothly increasing RPM far harder with turbochargers than with engine-driven superchargers, which apply boost in direct proportion to the engine RPM.
 

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ya eveyody who says that is way underestimating the airforce but anyway if i buy 351w what years are the best
 

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I'm in the Navy. Work with you guys all the time. I know exactly how ya'll roll :p

As for what year just do a google search for "best year for 351w" and it'll come up with tons of info for you.
 

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do you think the 302 right now could hold a turbo it has 180000 mi but all highwy never abused doesnt leak oil motor looks brand new if i keep the boost down
 

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ty i might just turbo the 302 for now then get a 351 and whenever its done switch the turbos to it
 
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