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Hello all,

This is my first post, so please bear with me. I have a 2006 Mustang GT with just over 30,000 miles, stock everything (no modifications of any kind--no tunes, nothing). I've had very few mechanical issues with the car, the only things I've needed replacing are a blown sparkplug 2-3 thousand miles ago and a dead battery around 1 thousand miles ago.

I do regular maintenance at the dealer every 5 thousand miles, and just had the 30k service done a few weeks ago, so all the fluids and filters and so forth that are supposed to be replaced by this time in my car's life should be all taken care of.

Now, here's the problem. I've done a lot of googling, and I can't seem to find anyone who's experienced this. Basically, it seems like at very low speeds (or sometimes from a complete stop, like at a light) the automatic transmission acts like it's shifted itself into neutral.

A typical example is where I'm on a road and turn into a parking lot. I let my foot off the gas, maybe get down to 15 or 20 mph, and then when I need to pick up a little bit of speed I tap the gas and absolutely nothing happens. If I stomp the gas, what generally happens is that nothing happen for a few seconds and then *boom* the rear wheels go nuts and spin out, leaving rubber burned onto the road. If, instead of stomping the gas, I gently coax it just right (this is hard to do properly) then instead of the other problem I get a very hard shift, like so hard the car feels like it shakes a little bit.

Letting it go to very low speeds by letting the foot off the gas seems to cause the problem the most often, but the other situation that seems to cause it is when I'm coming from a complete stop, like at a traffic light. I let my foot off the brake and, instead of inching forward, I stand absolutely still (a few terrifying times I was on a slight incline and the car actually started inching backwards before I slammed on the brakes!). The same thing happens after that as it does in the other scenario. That is, either I'm left peeling out or, after many long seconds of coaxing, I get a hard shift and it works more or less like normal from there.

The from-the-dead-stop problem happens maybe once in about 45 mins of daily driving--it is extremely unpredictable, but I'm panicked everytime I stop at a light because I'm worried my car might slam back into the vehicle behind me if the road is on an incline. I can get the other setup (letting my foot off the gas, coasting to a slow speed, and then tapping the gas) to happen about twice as frequently as the from-the-dead-stop setup.

So I took the car to the dealer today and they called me back, "we took it on the highway and nothing happened". I told them "no, please, try some city driving, some stop-and-go, and let me know if you have any better luck."

Nothing weird ever happens at highway speeds.

They want to keep it an extra day and try tomorrow. They say the computers are throwing absolutely no diagnostic errors. Does anyone have any ideas on what might be wrong, or something I can tell them might be the problem that they could look at tomorrow? I know it's probably obvious from my post, but I'm not particularly handy with cars, and I could seriously use all the help I could get.

My initial thoughts were that there's something wrong with the transmission, but it's quite possible it's something else entirely. The intermittent nature of the issue is quite frustrating. Major transmission work wouldn't worry me because I'm still under the powertrain warranty, but I know they won't replace/rebuild the thing if they can't see the issue.

Would it be smart to insist on driving with their techs sometime if they're unable to reproduce the problem tomorrow? The thing is, it could take up to 20 mins and even then, there's no guarantees that it will happen. I would hate for that to happen and thereby look like the customer who cried wolf, but I think I may have to suck it up and just do that if this goes on much longer.

Thank you for any and all help. I read through these forums when my passenger footwell started leaking water after heavy rains and it saved me a costly trip to the dealer.

--Vik
 

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If it doesnt happen for them, I would take it out run it and when it starts acting up go straight to them and take them for a ride, or like you said just see if they will ride around with you. It sounds like something wrong with the torque converter to me.
 

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Firstly, thanks so much for the reply, Doug. I wish it were simple enough that I could take it right to them as soon as it starts acting up; however, just because it happens once or twice in a drive doesn't guarantee it will keep happening. Like I'd said, it's really intermittent. If I could get it to happen once or twice and it would keep repeating until I killed the ignition, I would definitely follow that advice.

I guess I'll have to see if they'll agree to ride around with me if they can't duplicate the issue tomorrow (their second day looking at it).

Thanks for the idea about the torque converter!
 

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I'm no transmission expert but certainly sounds like it could be a torque converter issue to me as well. Hope they get it fixed for you :bigthumbsup

Oh - and welcome to AFM!!
 

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Certainly sounds like a tranny issue of some sort. My '06 V-6 has simliar, but not as sever symptoms sometimes. The tranny checked out, but I'm not real confident in dealer service departments these days. They told me my '07 GT was fine until it crapped out the entire drivelineat 25K miles. Thus my apprehension.

I hate to say this, but I've heard many a horror story after people have had their auto transmissions serviced and flushed for the first time. It seems to cause more problems than it prevents if it isn't done 100% properly.
 

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I hate to say this, but I've heard many a horror story after people have had their auto transmissions serviced and flushed for the first time. It seems to cause more problems than it prevents if it isn't done 100% properly.
Thanks for your input, SJ. I want to clarify that the problems I'd been seeing did happen before the 30k service (I'm not sure if you were hinting otherwise, but just in case the info helps anyone troubleshoot more accurately, I thought I'd clarify). They were more frequent after the service, mind, but I'm willing to believe that was just a result of more time passing rather than the 30k service. There also wasn't an immediate increase of the frequency of the problem after the service.

Oh, and thanks for the kind welcome, hubkap! And to eastbmore, I'm hoping you get your problem figured out, too.

I'm picking the car up from the dealer tomorrow and will try to arrange a drive with one of their service techs next week (they already said they'd be willing to ride with me, so at least they're willing to to humor me and aren't treating me like a nutcase). I'm guessing this weekend I'll be spending significant time in parking lots trying to perfect a way to duplicate this issue.

Thanks, everybody, for all your help. I'll make sure and post an update if/when this stupid thing ever gets figured out :)
 

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I hope you get it resolved soon. It really sounds like the torque converter to me. If they are anything like some of the g.m. models there is an electronic switch the engages and and disengages the torque converter. I had the problem on my Buick except it wouldnt release, I would have to put it in neutral when stopping. $25 part and havent had anymore trouble. Hopefully it will be something simple like that.
 

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I have the EXACT same thing going on in my '06.
Went to my local dealer in BC, one of the mechanics (drag racer) says that he saw this happen with a Taurus that passed through the shop - he calls it 'trans flaring'
He says it is pressure related, and that it either a bad seal or a broken piston/valve in the trans. The lag in the engaging is due to a lack of pressure - this is why it happens in stop & go traffic and not on the highway.
He was saying that the first step is to run a pressure test on the trans to isolate exactly where the bug is.
The shop is supposed to look at mine at the end of the week, I will let you know what happens.
By the way, my '06 only has 28,000 miles on it, is stock, and is off warranty now too - oh well...
 

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I have the EXACT same thing going on in my '06.
Went to my local dealer in BC, one of the mechanics (drag racer) says that he saw this happen with a Taurus that passed through the shop - he calls it 'trans flaring'
He says it is pressure related, and that it either a bad seal or a broken piston/valve in the trans. The lag in the engaging is due to a lack of pressure - this is why it happens in stop & go traffic and not on the highway.
He was saying that the first step is to run a pressure test on the trans to isolate exactly where the bug is.
The shop is supposed to look at mine at the end of the week, I will let you know what happens.
By the way, my '06 only has 28,000 miles on it, is stock, and is off warranty now too - oh well...
Wow, I'm sorry this happened to your car, too. Thanks so much for the information!

After doug posted his last comment and I got the car back from my dealer, I tried a workaround. He said he could get the car moving forward again from a stop by shifting to neutral and then back to drive. I tried this, and it didn't work for me, but what DOES seem to work (I've done this three times successfully) is to hit the brakes, shift to reverse, and then back to drive. Until you get yours fixed, you might want to see if that works for you, so you don't end up burning any more rubber off your tires.

About being off-warranty, I'm sure your bumper-to-bumper is over, but are you still under powertrain? I have a year left on mine, and I'd think a repair like you'd described would be considered a transmission repair and so end up being covered. (Admittedly, I'm a novice at issues mechanical, so this could be completely backwards).

Please let me know how the repair goes. I'd love to hear that it went well :)

As for my issue, I was going to have a service appt this morning to duplicate the issue for their mechanics, but I tried an hour on Saturday to get it to happen on command and . . . nothing. The dang thing really doesn't want to happen when I want it to. Meanwhile, going out to lunch other day (15 mins of driving), it happened twice. I called them and told them I'm postponing an appt until such time as the problem happens more frequently. It's hard to get the time off work, and I'd hate to be there for an hour with one of them in the car only to find out the entire trip was a waste.

If your repair is successful, I'll call up my dealer and ask them if it would be possible to run a pressure test on the transmission.
 

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That brings up a good point. Do the '06 models have the 5/60 powertrain warranty?
Wow, you really made me refresh my memory on this one. Here's what happened with me (best as I can remember). I bought mine at the tail end of '06 (end of October) and was told that Ford was including its new extended powertrain warranty on the previous model year to help push cars off the lot to make room for the '07s. I believe I was given a sheet or something saying as much when I bought the car (will have to dig around for it).

I do remember very clearly that when I took the car in for a misfire six months or so back (it turned out to be a bad sparkplug) that the service technician apologized that it wasn't a repair that fell under my powertrain warranty, so that coincides w/ my memory of getting the new warranty. I hope I'm right, because if I'm wrong, ugh, this will be expensive :(

edit: I found in a very old email a quote I'd pulled off of Kelly's Blue Book site (unfortunately, the link is now dead). Said quote is "A 2006 Model Year Ford vehicle sold on or after July 14, 2006 will be covered by a complimentary 5 year/60,000 Mile extended service contract with a $100 deductible." I can't find anything official that says that, but if you google the quoted words you will find a LOT of hits from car forums circa 2006 with people quoting that same information.
 

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The same thing is happening to my 2007 GT. Mostly happens when I have to come to a fast stop or slow down and then accelerate. Pops into gear at 2800 rpms every time it does this.
Unfortunately, I have driven a month without it happening so I haven't taken it to the dealer yet. Worse my car is not under warranty due to all the mods my daughter and her boyfriend did to the car as well as the 165 mph speeds and track times they put the car through and informed the service manager about.
 

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quote - About being off-warranty, I'm sure your bumper-to-bumper is over, but are you still under powertrain? I have a year left on mine, and I'd think a repair like you'd described would be considered a transmission repair and so end up being covered. (Admittedly, I'm a novice at issues mechanical, so this could be completely backwards).

Please let me know how the repair goes. I'd love to hear that it went well :)

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My Ford warranty has already timed out (3 year, 36k in Canada), but since I bought it used at my local GM dealer in BC (traded my '95 Gt), I am covered under the dealer's warranty :). She goes in for testing on Friday - I will let you know what happens. Cheers.
 

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well, I dropped my GT at the dealer on Friday. They dropped the trans pan, and the good news is that everything was nice and clean, no bits of clutch or gear, etc. Bad news is that the problem is still there - she goes back to the dealer later this week. I see another thread on here (can't find it right now) talking about similar issues on a stick shift car.
 

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Bad news is that the problem is still there - she goes back to the dealer later this week.
Sorry to hear that the problem is still there. Did they run the transmission pressure test that you wrote about in a previous post yet?

Update on my problem is that it seems to be getting worse bit by bit. On my way into work this morning, it happened coming off a stoplight. Shifting into reverse and back to drive didn't fix the problem immediately like it had before. Had to turn my hazards on during the minute or two (felt like an eternity) my car wouldn't take off. Guy behind me started honking . . . hey, buddy, I have the hazards on! I'm working on it! :)
 

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yup, they ran the pressure test and everything checked out normal. The car has been at my local Ford dealer in British Columbia since Tuesday. I work out of province and I have family doing the leg work for me, and it sounds like the mechanics are waiting for more direction from Ford as to what to do next. I have had folks talking about adjusting the bands on 3rd and 4th gear, re-flashing the computer, and replacing the solenoid body. I should be getting another update in the next day or so on what the mechanics have done.
 

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well, it looks like my hijacking of Vik's thread has come to an end. My dealer has bought the car back from me - I could not afford the time and money to chase a bug when I am working 400 miles away from my car. Anyway, the best guess from the mechanics (Ford and GM guys) is that the bug is in the valve body, and that the entire valve body should be replaced. This is supposed to be a common problem in the Explorers, but nobody is completely sure if this is true for the Mustangs too. They reflashed the computer last week, but that only seemed to make things worse - the car would start off in second, the trans could not decide whether it wanted to stay in second or go to third at anything less that half throttle, etc. Everybody who has driven it knows that there is something wrong, but they seem to be stumped as to what to do or where to go - they say that they have not seen enough GTs with automatics to have the experience to deal with this problem. If I hear anything more about the car I will let you know. Good luck guys.
 

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Anyway, the best guess from the mechanics (Ford and GM guys) is that the bug is in the valve body, and that the entire valve body should be replaced. This is supposed to be a common problem in the Explorers, but nobody is completely sure if this is true for the Mustangs too. They reflashed the computer last week, but that only seemed to make things worse - the car would start off in second, the trans could not decide whether it wanted to stay in second or go to third at anything less that half throttle, etc. Everybody who has driven it knows that there is something wrong, but they seem to be stumped as to what to do or where to go - they say that they have not seen enough GTs with automatics to have the experience to deal with this problem. If I hear anything more about the car I will let you know. Good luck guys.
Thanks so much for posting your experiences. I'm really sorry it hasn't resolved positively for you yet. My own car, fwiw, is still experiencing the problem. Annoyingly enough, the shift to reverse and then back to drive while braking is almost never an instant fix anymore (ie, I have to sit around for a minute or so shifting back and forth and giving gas to get it to move). I'm so frustrated, especially since it only happens 2-3 times a week right now, so I'm certain if I took it to the dealer to duplicate it just would not happen. Am seriously losing it and am thinking of writing corporate to see if SOMEONE up there knows wtf could be going wrong.

Best of luck to you!
 
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