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My daughter has a 2007 Mustang and has just moved to California. It passed CA emissions inspection without any trouble but when she went to DMV to register they told her she has to get some sort of "plate for under the hood" from Ford that says it is certified for California. The Ford dealer says there is no such thing for a car that old. So my daughter is being run around in circles with no idea how to register her car.

Anyone here know how this stuff works in California? Or what possible workarounds we can do to get her registered?
 

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My daughter has a 2007 Mustang and has just moved to California. It passed CA emissions inspection without any trouble but when she went to DMV to register they told her she has to get some sort of "plate for under the hood" from Ford that says it is certified for California. The Ford dealer says there is no such thing for a car that old. So my daughter is being run around in circles with no idea how to register her car.

Anyone here know how this stuff works in California? Or what possible workarounds we can do to get her registered?
My nephew ran into far worse, and wound up getting all his cars registered in Arizona.
 

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Well ... since first posting my question, I have managed to download a certificate from Ford that the 2007 4.0L Mustang is compliant with California emissions standards. The lady at DMV doesn't want to accept that and requires an actual decal under the hood. Ford dealer parts dept. says they cannot order the label for cars older than 10 years old but that I can go online and order a "replica" label from any number of companies that make them. Very strange to me but apparently CA is just trying to make it really difficult to register an out of state car.
 

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Considering that their agenda is to be an all EV state, I’m not surprised.
 

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No wonder there is such an exodus of folks leaving commiefornia. They even have a governor`s mandate that all new cars have to be electric by 2035:
 
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Another reason to not move there or to escape from that place.
While I understand the sentiment, just realize that it’s anecdotal.
 

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"don't California my Texas!" LOL . . . I live in Massachusetts, so I feel your pain . . . it is not quite that bad here, yet, but don't worry, we'll catch up soon.

I guess this all relates to the special California emissions certifications that are required now for cars sold in California, that is common now but not sure it existed in 2005. I didn't realize it also applied to cars registered in California, but I guess I'm not surprised.
 
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What has happened at DMV (Thanks Gov Wilson), is with the exception of management, investigators and driving test staff, all the counter staff (or almost all) are part time personnel whose avg tenure is about 3 years. So, IMHO, make another appointment at DMV but insist it is with a supervisor or manager, bring your documentation (letter from Ford stating that no such thing is available) and I will guarantee you it will be fixed asap. I use to run a commercial CDL program... I can't begin to tell you the circus that our staff went through... until i met with the local DMV manager..... they set up a system just to take care of us!
 

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You’re darn right. Messin’ up the promise land brother. 🤠 :p
Folks will still hold gas station doors open for one another and the person going in will say thanks, but it’s getting less and less every day.
We fixed this in Socal!!!!! We just have windows in the exterior walls ... so no doors and speakers for the attendent to say...yeah, what do you want! HA!!!
 
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What has happened at DMV (Thanks Gov Wilson), is with the exception of management, investigators and driving test staff, all the counter staff (or almost all) are part time personnel whose avg tenure is about 3 years. So, IMHO, make another appointment at DMV but insist it is with a supervisor or manager, bring your documentation (letter from Ford stating that no such thing is available) and I will guarantee you it will be fixed asap. I use to run a commercial CDL program... I can't begin to tell you the circus that our staff went through... until i met with the local DMV manager..... they set up a system just to take care of us!
I agree. It's probably a woman with a power trip that you've been dealing with. She no doubt makes everyone's life a hell there. Supervisor and documents from Ford should do. I would mention to them a lawyer possibly getting involved with litigation with their personal names on the lawsuit if this drags out as it's quite unreasonable. They should know that the car is 50 state compliant from the factory and it should also be on them to prove otherwise.
 

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I agree. It's probably a woman with a power trip that you've been dealing with. She no doubt makes everyone's life a hell there. Supervisor and documents from Ford should do. I would mention to them a lawyer possibly getting involved with litigation with their personal names on the lawsuit if this drags out as it's quite unreasonable. They should know that the car is 50 state compliant from the factory and it should also be on them to prove otherwise.
A general counter person making an hourly wage isn’t going to care about a lawsuit. They’ll just say, “Ok. Next in line please.” I doubt even the manager will. The manger will probably bring out a list of crap that’s needed and the OP doesn’t have something on “the list.” I bet the counter person is just doing what they know to do. The list says: this, this, and this. Know what I’m saying? You’ll have to reach the governor.
Why doesn’t the counter person care? Because they don’t have any skin in the game.
 

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Actually, I think the opposite is true as far as the counter woman thinking she has skin in the game. Besides the counter woman reigning over her little kingdom she probably thinks that she's furthering her states' or governor's agenda. Therefore, I think she does care... about not doing her job and helping people to take care of the legitimate car business they have to do but rather acting like the Gestapo of CA.
I only said mentioning to the supervisor not the counter person about litigation if that supervisor didn't correct the bs situation that the counter woman invented. Lost wages, travel expenses, and whatever emotional damage nonsense the lawyer could come up with would be applicable. If you tell someone they are going to be named in a suit then it'll be in the back of their mind that perhaps their job will come under review. I've noticed that it's amazing how reasonable people suddenly become when they think they are going to have to deal with possible court proceedings.
The DMV should be black and white with no gray area. You either have what is written down as required or you don't. If it were me I would have demanded to see where it says that it's necessary to provide a certificate when the car meets CA standards already. That would have likely shut her up real quick.
 

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Actually, I think the opposite is true as far as the counter woman thinking she has skin in the game. Besides the counter woman reigning over her little kingdom she probably thinks that she's furthering her states' or governor's agenda. Therefore, I think she does care... about not doing her job and helping people to take care of the legitimate car business they have to do but rather acting like the Gestapo of CA.
I only said mentioning to the supervisor not the counter person about litigation if that supervisor didn't correct the bs situation that the counter woman invented. Lost wages, travel expenses, and whatever emotional damage nonsense the lawyer could come up with would be applicable. If you tell someone they are going to be named in a suit then it'll be in the back of their mind that perhaps their job will come under review. I've noticed that it's amazing how reasonable people suddenly become when they think they are going to have to deal with possible court proceedings.
The DMV should be black and white with no gray area. You either have what is written down as required or you don't. If it were me I would have demanded to see where it says that it's necessary to provide a certificate when the car meets CA standards already. That would have likely shut her up real quick.
Yeah, I’m afraid not. You’d be suing the state of California not the counter person, not the manager, not anyone who works in that building. None of their names will be attached to the laws suit and none of those people will be attending any litigation. They will be at the counter doing what they’re told to do while a lawyer for the state does his/her thing. Have you ever been a “counter person?” I currently am one. Threatening the worker bee with suit is like when a customer at my work gets angry over pricing and doesn’t make the purchase. You see, I don’t make commission off of the sale and I’m not the one who needs a part to get a bulldozer running. I make the same whether their equipment is running or not so I don’t really care if they buy something or not. Besides, the price is what it is so there’s nothing that I can do even if I wanted to. That’s the “no skin in the game part.” The company doesn’t care either that much if X customer didn’t buy the product either because customer Y is waiting to buy the same product as well. I’m not saying this is the way things should be, but that’s the way it is.
If one thinks that the counter person is on a power trip the next step would be to try and speak to their manager. However, be ready when the manager reiterates what the counter person has told you. There’s a list of stuff that some government official made that the DMV folks are to follow. The DMV workers are doing what they were instructed to do and the gov official who made that list doesn’t even work there so there’s no one of any real importance to even threaten. If you get too loud I imagine they’ll have you escorted away.
Once again, if you feel the counter person is being a bully talk to the boss but don’t be surprised if they tell you the same. Counter people don’t have enough stroke to control who gets a license or registered and who doesn’t, so it’s not them stopping you from getting registered. It’s the government. The clerk is just giving you the news.
 

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I'm afraid so actually. You can name anyone you want in a lawsuit not just the agency or company. I was sued personally ALONG with the company I worked for once(minor car accident in a snowstorm at 18 years old). The company's insurance took care of it as I remember of course but if the suit exceeded that insurance threshold I would have been held financially responsible as well. And though this is a more extreme example a family member sued the state for a wrongful death and the state employee responsible was deposed so his life was interrupted because of a lawsuit. If it made it to trial he would not be at his job working completely unaffected. He would be testifying. There are repercussions to doing something outside of your job responsibilities and legal limits.
I'm a little confused here. Are you trying to argue that this poor guy should be made to provide a nonexistent and unavailable certificate even though his car is 100% compliant? It sounds like you think the agency is in the right here. I'm not talking about a counter sales guy just quoting a price and someone getting huffy about it. That has nothing to do with a person possibly going outside of their job description and responsibilities like this DMV counter woman possibly did.
You should always be prepared to be disappointed in life and that includes a supervisor not correcting a situation. That's why the next step is a lawyer after that attempt has been made and you can mention litigation without causing a scene. Just because a DMV worker is doing something doesn't mean that they are doing as they were instructed/trained. Another example is when I was 17 and went to get my physical license the counter lady told me that I needed another raised seal on my birth certificate(the original was already there actually and it was pointed out to her). I went and got it notarized with a raised stamping, brought it back, and the counter guy asked why I did that. He said the original was completely normal and going to get a notarization was unnecessary.
People overstep all the time in their jobs unfortunately. If someone has control over a situation then it can give a sense of power and some people use that against others for their own personal satisfaction. I make it a mission in my life to make these particular people feel worthless as I like bullying the bullies.
In this guy's DMV case it very well may be that this counter woman is exceeding her authority and it seems that the state can't demand something that they already established meets their requirements especially since it's impossible to magically produce that unnecessary document from the manufacturer that she is requesting. Sometimes you just need a lawyer to make things right and produce clarity.
 

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I'm afraid so actually. You can name anyone you want in a lawsuit not just the agency or company. I was sued personally ALONG with the company I worked for once(minor car accident in a snowstorm at 18 years old). The company's insurance took care of it as I remember of course but if the suit exceeded that insurance threshold I would have been held financially responsible as well. And though this is a more extreme example a family member sued the state for a wrongful death and the state employee responsible was deposed so his life was interrupted because of a lawsuit. If it made it to trial he would not be at his job working completely unaffected. He would be testifying. There are repercussions to doing something outside of your job responsibilities and legal limits.
I'm a little confused here. Are you trying to argue that this poor guy should be made to provide a nonexistent and unavailable certificate even though his car is 100% compliant? It sounds like you think the agency is in the right here. I'm not talking about a counter sales guy just quoting a price and someone getting huffy about it. That has nothing to do with a person possibly going outside of their job description and responsibilities like this DMV counter woman possibly did.
You should always be prepared to be disappointed in life and that includes a supervisor not correcting a situation. That's why the next step is a lawyer after that attempt has been made and you can mention litigation without causing a scene. Just because a DMV worker is doing something doesn't mean that they are doing as they were instructed/trained. Another example is when I was 17 and went to get my physical license the counter lady told me that I needed another raised seal on my birth certificate(the original was already there actually and it was pointed out to her). I went and got it notarized with a raised stamping, brought it back, and the counter guy asked why I did that. He said the original was completely normal and going to get a notarization was unnecessary.
People overstep all the time in their jobs unfortunately. If someone has control over a situation then it can give a sense of power and some people use that against others for their own personal satisfaction. I make it a mission in my life to make these particular people feel worthless as I like bullying the bullies.
In this guy's DMV case it very well may be that this counter woman is exceeding her authority and it seems that the state can't demand something that they already established meets their requirements especially since it's impossible to magically produce that unnecessary document from the manufacturer that she is requesting. Sometimes you just need a lawyer to make things right and produce clarity.
The argument that I’m making is that you are assuming the lady at the counter has more power than she actually has. She’s just an employee. She makes zero rules. She was not included in the meeting when the rules and regulations were drafted. She probably doesn’t even get to decide on her own at what time she goes to lunch. It’s the state man. The state makes the rules. If you were to add her name to the lawsuit I bet the hearing would go something like this, “Mam, did this guy try to get his car registered?” She replies, “yes.” Second question, “did he have all of the paper work needed?” She replies, “no.” That would pretty much be the end of it. Unless Matlock came in with the missing evidence that proves she was keeping new California residents off of the road in hopes to better her morning commute.
A friend of mine moved from California to Hawaii about six months ago. He brought his car over but was having such a hard time getting it registered he ended up buying one from there. He went from a 4Runner to an ‘05 Prius. I guess the prius was cheaper than a lawyer.
 
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