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The Cobra was grossly under-rated. Even totally unmolested, it will put out more than 400 crank hp (more like 420+).

The Cobras are all just a pulley change and a tune away from 500hp, too.
 

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350-380? Ford underated them on purpose because of all the recalls and pissed customers that bought a 99 cobra (i was one of them) but then again the interweb has all kinds of misleading info.Just like youve seen only a few superfreaks get 415+ to the wheels stock,the 350-380 stock is a new one to me.Whatever the case may be it was and is still one of the best EVER made.

I never saw or heard about any making 400+hp. I thought you said you heard of them putting that out. I was just saying if some cars did put that much out it was only a couple. I think thats way too high. 415 flywheel I could see. When I had Radical Racing tune my 1994 GT in 2004 I asked him how much he was seeing from the Terminators he told me those other numbers. 360 to the wheels is around 420 flywheel. 415 to the wheels is around 480hp to the flywheel. But I agree that it was one incredible bargain when it came out and were underrated from the factory.
 

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I never saw or heard about any making 400+hp. I thought you said you heard of them putting that out. I was just saying if some cars did put that much out it was only a couple. I think thats way too high. 415 flywheel I could see. When I had Radical Racing tune my 1994 GT in 2004 I asked him how much he was seeing from the Terminators he told me those other numbers. 360 to the wheels is around 420 flywheel. 415 to the wheels is around 480hp to the flywheel. But I agree that it was one incredible bargain when it came out and were underrated from the factory.
From 5.0 Mustang:

"The first step was to baseline our Cobra, and this particular '04 snakedidn't disappoint. Stone stock and with just over 2,000 miles on theodometer, our Cobra laid down 381.5 hp to the rear wheels at 6,000 rpm,revealing the factory's 390hp flywheel rating was a bit conservative. On an inertia chassis dyno (we used the SuperFlow at Motion Performance inWinnipeg), these cars are typically in the 360-380 rear-wheel-horsepowerrange, so evidently we ended up with a strong one."


But back to the bigger question...we shall see, won't we? The tricky bit will be finding a stock Terminator to run with the Coyote. If we're talking modded then it's a useless comparison.
 

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The biggest question I have about the new Coyote engine is how will it respond to boost? I mean is it gonna have 11:1 compression? Is it gonna be a hi rever? Are the internals gonna be forged? Imagine if it comes with forged internals and you can add a dealer installed supercharger!!! Peace of mind!!!
I want this. A forged internals 400hp 9.8:1 compression high revver. Take dat Camaro!
 

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From 5.0 Mustang:

"The first step was to baseline our Cobra, and this particular '04 snakedidn't disappoint. Stone stock and with just over 2,000 miles on theodometer, our Cobra laid down 381.5 hp to the rear wheels at 6,000 rpm,revealing the factory's 390hp flywheel rating was a bit conservative. On an inertia chassis dyno (we used the SuperFlow at Motion Performance inWinnipeg), these cars are typically in the 360-380 rear-wheel-horsepowerrange, so evidently we ended up with a strong one."

But back to the bigger question...we shall see, won't we? The tricky bit will be finding a stock Terminator to run with the Coyote. If we're talking modded then it's a useless comparison.
I completely agree with that, A modded "T" to a stock 5.0 coyote,the "T" is no doubt the winner but even modded to modded I think the "T" will smoke the gt.What great cars they are!:bigthumbsup
 

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Keep in mind Motor Trend is usually at least 1/2 to 3/4 second off most of the other mags out there. I don't know if they do it to everyone or just Ford, but I've noticed it on the GT and Shelby's too.
 

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Yeah Motortrend usually sucks. But recently they have redeemed themselves to me when they drove a 05 GT to a 13.5. And they also drove a stock Mach 1 to 13.2 @ 106!!!
Hopefully we will know soon what the final power ratings will be. Even if its 400hp this will be the biggest power increase of a Mustang GT.(Modern ones 79-now) With 400hp and its lighter weight this will be the first time a Stang could beat a Camaro (Of equal stature) since the 5.0 in the early 90's.
 

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Even if the 5.0 by the grace of god could even stand up to the legendary SVT Cobra TERMINATOR I would still take the Terminator.
 

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By the way, if you read ALL of the articles on the 03-04 Cobras you'll find that quarter mile times range from 12.5- to high 13's. I think it depends on the conditions and who was driving. Personally I think the Cobra would get it just based upon power to weight ratio. The newer Mustangs 05 and up weigh in at just under 4000 lbs, while the svt Cobra coupe weighs in at 3700 lbs. If Fords planning on a DOHC motor with a bigger displacement most likely its going to weigh more then the current 4.6 motor. Also putting more weight up front will cause more wheel spin which will not help. Also, the 03-04 Cobra is so easily modded that with 2k you can have a 450 rwhp beast.

I don't know if you guys noticed but Motortrend wrote an article on the 2010 GT500 vs the 2010 Camaro and they reported that the Mustang ran a 12.8 vs the Camaro's 12.9... Numbers seem a little off if you ask me :headscratch: The GT 500 had 114 more hp yet could only muster a tenth of a second quicker. I'm pretty sure GM is sucking off the guys at motortrend based upon the ever so clear bias toward the Mustang. Anyways just thought I'd throw that in :nono:
 

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Terminator wins. Torque advantage of the blown motor down low where the n/a motor will need to "run it down." Highly unlikely as the Terminator won't run out of steam soon enough in the quarter. Nice race though, and about time the stock GT got that kind of power!!!
 

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I've heard of alot of people racing the Earlier GT500s and the cobras and I keep hearing there pretty close. Thing is though, the GT 500 also weighs quite a bit more. Its a good toss up between the new Mustang GT and the Cobra though. I think the Cobra would have the slight edge.
 

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By the way, if you look at the several different magazines which raced the Cobra back in 03 04 you will see a pretty big difference in track times. I've read that Cobras (stock) run 12 seconds all the way to about 13.5. I guess it depends on who the driver is, the elevation of the track, and what the conditions are for that day.

For instance, if you go over to motortrend's website, you will see that the new 2010 Mustang GT 500 only ran like a 12.8 vs the Camaro's 12.9. But then again, its motortrend. Seems to always favor GM...

Check this article out if you dont believe me. 04 Cobra vs GTO Article
 

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I have personally run a bone stock 03 cobra [email protected], and seen a 2010 run a 12.45 @ 109 with dr's, 3k stall and a really good tune.

The 2010's curb weight is 3533 and the 5.0 is only 10-20lbs heavier (not sure about the 6speed's weight) I think it will be a close race.

With that being said, I have just traded in a 04 cobra vert that was running 11.72 @ 124.60 with 442 rwhp/462 tq. No regrets here.

YouTube - 11.72 @ 124.60

I love my 2010 GT. Sure, it is not as fast, but wow is it refined. I really impressed with the improvements. For $5500 I can strap on a whipple, kenne Bell, or Procharger and see high 11's.

I guess it depends on what you consider better. The 5.0 is 11.0 to 1 compression. Boosting is going to be limited and aftermarket parts slow to hit the market. It does not use the same parts as the 4.6.

Just think about it this way, at least we are debating which "STOCK" 12 sec Mustang is better. When was the last time you could debate that issue
 

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this is good to see! been a LONG time since we compared Mustangs against each other.
I say the 6 speed trannys Auto or stick will be a advantage for the heavier S197's...over the terminators. with more gears or lower gears I shoulkd say..gets the heavy car out of the gate just as fast as the 04 cars. I dont see the 2011 running down the Terminator. it would be a darn colse race..driver will determine who wins.
 

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The Cobra is actually heavier. IRS, the 32 valve iron block V8, and the supercharger and intercooler all add weight over the upcoming GT. Cobras were underrated and most made 410-430hp stock at the crank. If the new GT has 412 like rumors say, it should be close. The new GT track pack will probably have stickier tires and the solid axle favors straight lines. Should be a decent race either way. I'm saying 12.80s for both cars.
 

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Hell i would bet money that the 03/04 Termi would win.. I am pretty sure it is lighter.

The trap speed is what matters. Besides, I think you could add a couple of MPHs to that 109...even still, that 109 MPH indicates a high 12 second car with sticky tires :bigthumbsup
Hell for a 109 trap speed, i would say mid to high 12s. I trap 106.25 and am at a 13.000.. Not even 1 more mph higher and i would be a very very high 12 sec car.

I want a termi so bad, just won't happen until i make some serious money.
 

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Hell i would bet money that the 03/04 Termi would win.. I am pretty sure it is lighter.



Hell for a 109 trap speed, i would say mid to high 12s. I trap 106.25 and am at a 13.000.. Not even 1 more mph higher and i would be a very very high 12 sec car.

I want a termi so bad, just won't happen until i make some serious money.
You have 12 second capabilities right now no problem. You just haven't layed it down yet. :bigthumbsup
 

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I say the 6 speed trannys Auto or stick will be a advantage for the heavier S197's...over the terminators.
the termi's were 6-spds so i don't know where the "advantage" comes from :hihi:, i would thing that it would be a close race stock but a good driver in both i would give the nod to the termi :yup: torque wins :smartass:
 

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The trap speed is what matters. Besides, I think you could add a couple of MPHs to that 109...even still, that 109 MPH indicates a high 12 second car with sticky tires :bigthumbsup
AWDs run high 12s to low 13s @ 88-95 MPH.

I'd put my money on the 04 terminator, in a heartbeat. I don't think the 5.0 will be an unmodded 12 second car. I've been wrong before.

Guys on spray are running mid-high 11s @ 105-109 MPH. What wins races is E/T, not speed.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws6gseaIIJU
 
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