98 GT vs. 05 V6

2005 Mustang V6 said:

my buddy just got a 98 gt. both our cars are stick. im not a big street racer and there are no tracks around here, so im curious which car would win?

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on paper I'm guessing your buddy would edge you out.. he's got a little more HP and quite a bit more Torque... but it could be close...

If the 98 is bone stock and both cars are driven perfect, he would have a small advantage. But average drivers with capable errors being 5 speeds, its a drivers race I say. Not saying you cant drive, just stating. Now if the 98 is modded..then it might be different. I think a 98 5 speed stock runs around 14.8

If his car is Not beat ,and he knows how to drive , he would probably win a close race !
`98 GT has 225hp and 285 lb-ft , a good condition and good driver `98 GT 5 speed are 14.7 to 15.1 in the 1/4 !
Keep us posted !

At the track last Friday night there was an 94-98 GT... couple of runs I see were 15.2 and 15.1.....

well, I raced 2 Mustangs from the 94-98 era.. I know one was a 94/95 that I beat and i just have the upgraded wheels, Xcal and CAI - and I beat him by a pretty decent margin... the other one I ran from 96-98 it was close enough to say that I don't know who won; Not sure if they were stock, but I am pretty sure they were both 5spd...take it for what it's worth...

fishingjts said:

At the track last Friday night there was an 94-98 GT... couple of runs I see were 15.2 and 15.1.....

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Yeah thats about average. They can dip into the 14's with good driving. Last time i went to the track there was a guy with a 95 GT bone stock. His first time ever at the track to tho and he couldnt break a 16.0 but thats just bad driving and nerves. One thing i will say tho, it could have gone faster and that was the cleanest 95 I ever seen. Spotless, inside and out! :drool:

Torque wins race, HP sales cars.

You lose!

Nope, that's not correct.


Look at a Honda S2000. 1/4 mile in 14.9. 153 lb-ft of torque!!! But, it redlines at 9,000 RPM...

1997 Mustang GT - 290 lb-ft torque. 1/4 mile in 15.1 seconds!

It's all in gearing, power, and where the motor makes the most power. NOT torque alone.

Crazy001 said:

Nope, that's not correct.



Look at a Honda S2000. 1/4 mile in 14.9. 153 lb-ft of torque!!! But, it redlines at 9,000 RPM...

1997 Mustang GT - 290 lb-ft torque. 1/4 mile in 15.1 seconds!

It's all in gearing, power, and where the motor makes the most power. NOT torque alone.

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wtf?

I love getting into this discussion. Look what you just posted. A .2sec differenc in 1/4 mile. THen you forgot most important factor S2000~2400lbs? Mustang 4500Lbs.
Torque is everything... HP is nothing.. its a mythical figure conjured up in engineering to describe the powerband. Its a guide to for what gearing you need. Torqu is a twisting force... what dirves the wheels. HP is th ability to produce torque at high RPMs. So gearing also takes out the Top speed argument if you have to gear so lo to get moving. Thats why a lot of salt flat cars have to be pushed up to 60mph or so. The gearing is so high it doesn't multiply the torque enough to get up and moving. Its the whole momentum thing coming into play.

So, I still stand by Torque wins races Hp sales cars. That why a Vette beats the crap out of an S2000. Even back to the LT1 days!

The 98 would win. When i just had a superchip i raced a 05 V6 and beat him. Both are autos.

sanitarium16 said:

The 98 would win. When i just had a superchip i raced a 05 V6 and beat him. Both are autos.

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Like I said, Torque wins races!

Maybe you don't understand the concept of horsepower and torque. Do you know what horsepower is?

Horsepower is torque at speed. Period. What does huge gobs of torque do you at low RPM? How can you quantify that? Horsepower. Theoretically, if your mustang engine produces 300 lb-ft of peak torque, but only down low around 2,000 RPMs, and fades quickley, what good will it do you? The car will have torque, but that will certainly not win a race. Look at modern diesel engines. A caterpillar C7 diesel will power a freightliner truck, with 540 ft-lbs of torque. Does that make it fast? If you put that huge diesel into a car, would it be fast? Of course not! It's only rated at 190 HP, because the torque is made so low, you'd have no top end!

What makes a car fast is torque @ RPMs. How do you define torque at RPMs? Horsepower!

Torque is important, but horsepower is a total indicator of how much POWER an engine can produce...and THAT is what will win a race.

Kyle F said:

wtf?

I love getting into this discussion. Look what you just posted. A .2sec differenc in 1/4 mile. THen you forgot most important factor S2000~2400lbs? Mustang 4500Lbs.
Torque is everything... HP is nothing.. its a mythical figure conjured up in engineering to describe the powerband. Its a guide to for what gearing you need. Torqu is a twisting force... what dirves the wheels. HP is th ability to produce torque at high RPMs. So gearing also takes out the Top speed argument if you have to gear so lo to get moving. Thats why a lot of salt flat cars have to be pushed up to 60mph or so. The gearing is so high it doesn't multiply the torque enough to get up and moving. Its the whole momentum thing coming into play.

So, I still stand by Torque wins races Hp sales cars. That why a Vette beats the crap out of an S2000. Even back to the LT1 days!

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S2000 try 2800+lbs and 95-04 Mustang`s are around 3300lbs give or take! not 4500lbs
S2000 240h are a little faster then 14.8 , more around 14 flat with a skilled driver !

My loaded with options stangs weighs 3500 with me in it, (I wiegh 180 or so). I think I could take an S2000....

sanitarium16 said:

The 98 would win. When i just had a superchip i raced a 05 V6 and beat him. Both are autos.

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Big Deal, I've beaten a 97.

With a couple of mods, and getting rid of the TC/throttle program and you could take him.

kscoyote said:

Big Deal, I've beaten a 97.

With a couple of mods, and getting rid of the TC/throttle program and you could take him.

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YA big deal :so ! Mister I have the fastest V6 Mustang in the US ! It is a big Deal !
A Good Stock 94-98 GT with a skilled driver would hand you your ASS !
Just because you raced a `97 and won , it make`s it no big deal !
Im not getting on your S***, but that was a moron statement!
Everybody is waiting for ET`S or maybe its just me !
You top 14.7 and you can beat the best a stock 94-98 GT can give !

dollarbill said:

My loaded with options stangs weighs 3500 with me in it, (I wiegh 180 or so). I think I could take an S2000....

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I'm with Dollarbill; I think I can take one too.

Going back to my previous statement, I have raced a 96-98 GT (didnt bother to ask what year it was) and we were dead even. I have a 2005 V6 with only a couple of mods. The only 94-98 Mustang that handed me my @$$ was the 96-98 Cobra.. and it was my moms boyfriends car..

as far as torque vs horsepower... Horsepower can make up for Torque, but Torque can't make up for Horsepower... you can jump someone off the line all you want; but, once that higher horsepower takes over they will catch you. Although, the arguement is moot, because people are stubborn and hate to be wrong, but what are ya gonna do?
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But then again iam not stupid enough to waste my gas against a GT like Meatballs :winks

I agree with that, at $3.00+, it just ain't worth it!


The point I was trying to make earlier was that horsepower and torque are directly related to one another. Torque is twisting force, horsepower is twisting force at speed. Both are important, but horsepower is a better indicator of how well a vehicle will do in a race, because power is the actual measurement of energy being spent on acceleration, which is caused by torque.