[SCCA2011GT]

I officially hate AdvanceTrac, Traction Control, and Torque Mgmt. I almost got smoked yesterday because some a**hole decided to haul a** down the road and change into my lane as I was pulling out of a center median. I looked twice and none was there and as I committed to pulling out, I looked one more time and this d1ck, that was flying around the curve in the road, changed into the my lane! I stood on the gas pedal to get going and when that rear end when to bouncing a little, the AdvanceTrac shut the engine down and I almost got rear ended hardcore. For a full 4 seconds, the car would not go and I had my foot to the floor. When the computer finally decided to give control of the engine back to me, the torque management decided to play its role and lag the hell out of the acceleration.

I don't remember to turn all the crap off every time I get in the car but that scared the hell out me. To me, AdvanceTrac and Traction Control is a completely unsafe and worthless feature. I want it gone like yesterday. I absolutely loathe a car that will not respond to the inputs that I am putting into it.

My question is, I know that TQ. Mgmt. can be tuned out, but can you turn off the AdvanceTrac and Traction Control permanently in a tune? I am on the verge of buying a tuner and saying the hell with Ford and the warranty, or selling the car. I cannot have a car that will not allow me to control it myself. I am a trained and skilled driver and to have this crap fighting me is unacceptable.

Any input on what y'all have been doing to mitigate this asinine feature?

Thanks

 

[Thereaper]

I get in the car and crank it up and push the Button 1 time to turn off the TCS and then I drive.

 

[12blackgt]

The problem is finding a hipo car that doesn't do this. As far as I know they all start with the nags on by deault. Of course you can turn them off, but again as far as I know not on the fly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[manolith]

You must be driving on snow or your traction control is messed up. It takes 1 sec to turn off tc and 1 sec to put stability control on sport kode and 6 seconds to turn all of it off. I don't know the last time that I drove the car without being in sport mode. I honestly thing that you are just being a little dramatic.

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[12blackgt]

I agree with the OP. I think the systems are backwards. They should default off and have the user turn them on when they deem necessary. Or, to please the safety nut jobs have the systems key off temperature, or atmospheric conditions such as humidity. For example: for better traction on ice when the temp get below 32f have the systems on by default. For rain when the humidity is 100% or when the wipers are turned on enable the systems.

 

[SCCA2011GT]

You must be driving on snow or your traction control is messed up. It takes 1 sec to turn off tc and 1 sec to put stability control on sport kode and 6 seconds to turn all of it off. I don't know the last time that I drove the car without being in sport mode. I honestly thing that you are just being a little dramatic.

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I can see where it may seem a little dramatic but that was too close of a call on account of another idiot. I don't ever expect everyone to drive correctly but I do trust that I will drive correctly and when I tell the car to go, I expect it to go. If that had a been a little closer or him going a little faster, I would have been sitting god knows where with a crushed car and who knows what kinds of injuries. No matter how you slice it, its dangerous when you NEED the 400HP and it doesn't respond. As far as being dramatic that I have to sit there and wait 10 seconds to shut all this crap off every time I get in the car.... then yes, it is a little dramatic. But if the day were to come that i forgot to turn it off (like what happen that day) and I get hit because of someone else's stupidity, then my friend, it would not be drama anymore. It would be a lawsuit. And its not just me. I would be willing to bet that more people have had similar experiences. Its not the first time that I have been caught by ASC on a vehicle, but the others, were not my vehicles.

And SPORT MODE doesn't kill all of it, unless your referring to SPORT MODE being the 10 second push and hold setting.

 

[manolith]

Sport mode you push brake pedal and hit button twice. It dosnt kill everything but. You could smoke the tires all you want with it. The steering gets tighter and you can throw the car side to side without having to worry about totaly crashing and looking like a moron.

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[TitanRam]

Seriously...you need to calm down. I wasn't there, but who's to say that the system didn't act to keep you going straight? And that if the system was off you would have been able to recover in the time necessary?

Not judging your skill, and obviously there was a time where all drivers did without the nannies, but they certainly have their place. In a day and age where 99% of people get in cars where all they have to do is turn the key, shift to D, and punch the gas, I appreciate that manufacturers take the time to keep them on the road.

Etch a reminder in your steering wheel to turn it off if it bothers you that much...or put a sticky note on it.

 

[fzrider]

I agree with the OP. I think the systems are backwards. They should default off and have the user turn them on when they deem necessary. Or, to please the safety nut jobs have the systems key off temperature, or atmospheric conditions such as humidity. For example: for better traction on ice when the temp get below 32f have the systems on by default. For rain when the humidity is 100% or when the wipers are turned on enable the systems.

I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but in my opinion, the traction control and AdvanceTrac features are very good features for every day driving. The fact is, most of us are not amazing drivers, and even those who are, are not always ready for the unexpected. When something like the OP described happens, most people will panic and do exactly as he did. The problem is, with the power this car makes there is going to be a lot of wheel spin, probably some fish-tailing and very little forward movement. Sure, the car bogged down when he stood on the gas, but had it not, he would have probably made even less forward progress due to wheel spin. That's the traction control, though just the same, AdvanceTrac can save your hide should you hit a little debris in a hard corner. You may be the greatest driver in the world on a track, but there are so many unknowns in real world driving.

To answer the OP's question, I'm pretty sure I've read that it cannot be disabled via tune. -Thomas

 

[SCCA2011GT]

Seriously...you need to calm down. I wasn't there, but who's to say that the system didn't act to keep you going straight? And that if the system was off you would have been able to recover in the time necessary?

Not judging your skill, and obviously there was a time where all drivers did without the nannies, but they certainly have their place. In a day and age where 99% of people get in cars where all they have to do is turn the key, shift to D, and punch the gas, I appreciate that manufacturers take the time to keep them on the road.

Etch a reminder in your steering wheel to turn it off if it bothers you that much...or put a sticky note on it.

I agree they have their place. I am happy that they put it in for most of the drivers because, like you said, 99% of drivers need it. I just don't want it in my cars. I am not upset that they designed ASC, I am bothered that I have to remember to disable it all the time. You should be able to turn it off permanently if you choose.

I was already in a straight line when the system activated. I am not trying to rambunctious here, but that was a wakeup call to an issue that I have been stewing about and putting off for fear of warranty.

But... in restrospect.... no one really did answer the original question. Can you disable this in the tune?

Thanks :bigthumbsup

 

[RONINv8]

Isn't there fuse you can pull? I thought i read something about that.

 

[Omcar]

Get in the car, start it, put foot on brake, tap T/C button twice and you are in sport mode which will get you down the road very nicely.
Just my 2 cents.:bigthumbsup

 

[12blackgt]

I'm not a spring chikcen. I've been driving for 32 years. 25 of those years I got by just fine without any electronic nags. Most people my age and older can say the same. The last NHTSA statistics I read did not show any less deaths, or accidents due to all these so called safety features. I remember when ABS was just on luxury cars. The insurance industry was so thrilled ABS used to get you a 25% discount, but now that most cars have it you're lucky to get a 5% discount. Did ABS make us any more safe as a driving public? You sure can't tell by what the insurance industry has done! It's all about the money!​

 

[Jeepis]

This reminds me of the haters back in the 80's when overdrive transmissions became commonplace. Why oh why can't the default be overdrive off? Well, it takes 1 second to hit the button, or shift from o/d to d, or whatever it is in all the various cars.

Same thing here, default is the nannies on, you want them off, fire up the car and hit the button, or hit it twice for sport mode, or whatever. They're there because autobuilders need to keep the lowest common denominator (ie, idiots) in mind when building their products. 99.9999999% of us know coffee is hot but guess what, that cup from Starbucks will still warn you because they too have to account for the lowest common denominator.

 

[manolith]

i am willing to bet that traction control has saved a bunch of 5 liters already. i bet my life on it.

 

[Wblv17]

I turn it off every time I get in the car unless it's raining. Takes a few seconds while all fluids get moving good. Sport mode = tried it once and thought I had a flat. Car shook the wheel out of my hand. Pulled over and checked tires, it was that bad.

 

[Thereaper]

i am willing to bet that traction control has saved a bunch of 5 liters already. i bet my life on it.

I agree.

And for all you old folks. I remember when rubber tires was the new thing.:yelwacko:

 

[SCCA2011GT]

I am going to toot my own horn here, but I am a much better driver having to control what I expect the car to do than what I am not expecting it to do. IOW, when I am very "in touch" with the cars performance and capability, I expect there to be wheelspin and I adjust accordingly to overcome the obstacle. But, when I am expecting to control the car myself (which in 99% of cases I am, the last 1% being unavoidable chaos) and the car takes control away from me, then it becomes my reaction against its reaction. I will admit, that I didn't know there was a fourth mode to the ASC on these cars. Till now there was Full On, Traction Off/ASC On (1 tap of the button) and Full Off (push and hold for 10 seconds while depressing brake and sitting still). Now I have to research exactly how this double tap Sport Mode is different from the others so I know what to expect. I also like that you can engage or disengage it while moving, but you still have to have your foot on the brake. I do perfectly fine without ASC. From a power standpoint, my 99GT that I sold to by this car made over 500HP to the wheels. Never had a problem getting out in front of someone or evading an emergency because I controlled the car.

Just for humor sake, I like overdrive, and like ASC it has its place. But, I do not like when its programmed to kick into overdrive (5th gear) on my wife's Civic at 35mph. There is no overdrive button in her car. Your options are 1,2,3 and D which is 4,and 5. It revs to high to cruise in 3rd everywhere, but shifts into 5th at too low a speed. In that case, I would like OD to be an option to enable, not have to disable.

 

[Guest]

I'm having a difficult time believing the car shut down for a full 4 seconds. Some say that time seems to slow down when you have a near death experience.

 

[manolith]

I am going to toot my own horn here, but I am a much better driver having to control what I expect the car to do than what I am not expecting it to do. IOW, when I am very "in touch" with the cars performance and capability, I expect there to be wheelspin and I adjust accordingly to overcome the obstacle. But, when I am expecting to control the car myself (which in 99% of cases I am, the last 1% being unavoidable chaos) and the car takes control away from me, then it becomes my reaction against its reaction. I will admit, that I didn't know there was a fourth mode to the ASC on these cars. Till now there was Full On, Traction Off/ASC On (1 tap of the button) and Full Off (push and hold for 10 seconds while depressing brake and sitting still). Now I have to research exactly how this double tap Sport Mode is different from the others so I know what to expect. I also like that you can engage or disengage it while moving, but you still have to have your foot on the brake. I do perfectly fine without ASC. From a power standpoint, my 99GT that I sold to by this car made over 500HP to the wheels. Never had a problem getting out in front of someone or evading an emergency because I controlled the car.

Just for humor sake, I like overdrive, and like ASC it has its place. But, I do not like when its programmed to kick into overdrive (5th gear) on my wife's Civic at 35mph. There is no overdrive button in her car. Your options are 1,2,3 and D which is 4,and 5. It revs to high to cruise in 3rd everywhere, but shifts into 5th at too low a speed. In that case, I would like OD to be an option to enable, not have to disable.

I would love to meet with you at a road course and we could race. You with everything off and me with only tc off. Not even sport mode. See who spins out first lol

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