[Guest]

After getting home from a few fun filled weeks downrange I'm back in the Mustang saddle again. My husband has been driving the car some while I was gone but no Advanctrac problems happened to him while I was away. But after over 4 months of Ford troubleshooting, and 6 weeks of the Flight Data Recorder being installed I finally have an incident recorded. Please see my old July thread if you're not familiar with this problem: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...383-advanctrac-almost-caused-major-wreck.html

Shortly after filling up with gas I pulled out on to the main road and accelerated up to 30-35mph and the Advanctrac went berserk. Not as aggressive has all the other times, because I was only going just over 30mph this time.

Lakewood Ford downloaded the FDR and looked at the data, but they are befudled. Yaw sensors, wheelspeed sensors, etc... all show normal readings until the advanctrac freaks out and starts slaming on the individual brakes and cutting power. They sent the data up to Ford for their engineers to analyze, but no quick answers to this scary problem that is plaguing me and several other Mustang members on here.

I called the Ford regional representative, and escalated the problem again, no longer necessary to contact Deysha anymore at this stage since she helped escalate this problem initially. Anyway, hopefully I will have some advanctrac answers early next week with any luck.

Cindy

 

[Elite_Deforce]

Wow that's ridiculous. I would sue if Ford does nothing with that, this is a safety disaster.

 

[Watchdogg]

After getting home from a few fun filled weeks downrange I'm back in the Mustang saddle again. My husband has been driving the car some while I was gone but no Advanctrac problems happened to him while I was away. But after over 4 months of Ford troubleshooting, and 6 weeks of the Flight Data Recorder being installed I finally have an incident recorded. Please see my old July thread if you're not familiar with this problem: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...383-advanctrac-almost-caused-major-wreck.html

Shortly after filling up with gas I pulled out on to the main road and accelerated up to 30-35mph and the Advanctrac went berserk. Not as aggressive has all the other times, because I was only going just over 30mph this time.

Lakewood Ford downloaded the FDR and looked at the data, but they are befudled. Yaw sensors, wheelspeed sensors, etc... all show normal readings until the advanctrac freaks out and starts slaming on the individual brakes and cutting power. They sent the data up to Ford for their engineers to analyze, but no quick answers to this scary problem that is plaguing me and several other Mustang members on here.

I called the Ford regional representative, and escalated the problem again, no longer necessary to contact Deysha anymore at this stage since she helped escalate this problem initially. Anyway, hopefully I will have some advanctrac answers early next week with any luck.

Cindy

Damn I hope they are not letting you drive it like that???

Not exactly the same, but I was getting intermitant advance track errors. Unbelievably they could not diagnose it unless service advancetrak light was on when I brought it in. Turns out my steering rack was at fault and no errors since its replacement.

 

[Guest]

Wow that's ridiculous. I would sue if Ford does nothing with that, this is a safety disaster.

Disaster might be a little strong, and no I haven't lawyered up or anything. Just giving Ford every opportunity to get this straightened out.

Damn I hope they are not letting you drive it like that???

Not exactly the same, but I was getting intermitant advance track errors. Unbelievably they could not diagnose it unless service advancetrak light was on when I brought it in. Turns out my steering rack was at fault and no errors since its replacement.

Glad you're all good to go now. Been driving it like this since July. After the first almost flying off the road incident it was extremely scary, like driving a ticking time bomb. But after several flare ups, and talking with others with the same problem, I learned that it was always going to happen on initial acceleration after making a hard turn usually passing thru 40mph. Then I knew when to possibly expect it, and I wasn't constantly white knuckled 100% of the time anymore.

 

[Elite_Deforce]

Disaster might be a little strong, and no I haven't lawyered up or anything. Just giving Ford every opportunity to get this straightened out.

Any unintended control of the car is a disaster, no matter how you put it.

It's nice that you have the courage to hold out for Ford to do the right thing, but I would honestly have asked them to diagnose it under their own watch and had a loaner meanwhile at that point.

Why didn't they just replace the whole unit?

 

[Guest]

Any unintended control of the car is a disaster, no matter how you put it.

It's nice that you have the courage to hold out for Ford to do the right thing, but I would honestly have asked them to diagnose it under their own watch and had a loaner meanwhile at that point.

Why didn't they just replace the whole unit?

I appreciate the righteous indignation. And loss of all control to a computer threatening life and limb is scarier in real life than it is in the movies(you appear to be a scifi fan hence the reference). But the rentals they've given me from time to time have been smelly generic Mitsubishis or Chryslers. And the time frame between episodes of advanctrac freakouts is 4 to 6 weeks. As far as replacing the unit, it is an entire system of dozens of parts which is integrated with other systems and all of their parts, no easy way to just swap out. Deysha got me in contact with the regional customer rep, and after brainstorming the FDR was the best option. Hopefully the answer comes in on Monday!!! Crossing my fingers that those Ford engineers know their stuff, and have some troubleshooting sense. I don't want this shotgunned with swaptronics, please just fix it.

 

[Alfiedagr8]

Man that sucks. As a ford tech the VDR is a great tool if they selected the correct pids to monitor. I hope u get it fixed. U may just have one of those weird cases. I wouldn't be surprised if u get a lot of new parts.


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[Guest]

Man that sucks. As a ford tech the VDR is a great tool if they selected the correct pids to monitor. I hope u get it fixed. U may just have one of those weird cases. I wouldn't be surprised if u get a lot of new parts.


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Thanks Al, not sure of all the Parameter IDs, but it recorded a lot of system data.
I also have the auto shifting issue, on the way to the dealer I had a minor shift flare and used my last record slot on the bad shift. So hopefully I can get that TSB finally done as well.

 

[GM Convert]

I've had something VERY similar to that happen in my Mustang on about 3 occassions now. All 3 times were right around 30 MPH, normal acceleration on a straight road in dry conditions. For no reason at all Advancetrack suddenly starts jamming on the brakes and cutting the engine. It lasts a few seconds until I put the clutch in and coast for a bit, and then it stops. Doesn't happen again for months.

I am extremely interested to hear what Ford finds out about yours.

 

[Guest]

I've had something VERY similar to that happen in my Mustang on about 3 occassions now. All 3 times were right around 30 MPH, normal acceleration on a straight road in dry conditions. For no reason at all Advancetrack suddenly starts jamming on the brakes and cutting the engine. It lasts a few seconds until I put the clutch in and coast for a bit, and then it stops. Doesn't happen again for months.

I am extremely interested to hear what Ford finds out about yours.

For a history you can look at my old thread posted above, and Stevessvt has the earliest thread from over a year ago http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...5496-question-about-my-lemon-law-process.html where his car was at the dealership numerous times before he gave up and traded it in. I've had Ford check his old VIN and they are still trying to fix it to this day. But my hopes are up after the VDR recording. Fingers crossed.

 

[GM Convert]

For a history you can look at my old thread posted above, and Stevessvt has the earliest thread from over a year ago http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...5496-question-about-my-lemon-law-process.html

Yes, I commented about my problem in that thread as well. Post #87. :bigthumbsup

 

[winkawak]

does this problem only persist in 11' & 12' mustang?

 

[Guest]

does this problem only persist in 11' & 12' mustang?

Hard to know for sure. But there were no real changes to the advanctrac, traction control, ABS, etc... so it could happen. This is not a major wide spread problem, maybe 10 cases at most that might be this same thing.
I'm on a bit of a personal crusade to figure it out, being a maintenance technician 1, and that my car tried to kill me 2, then finding out I wasn't the only one in the community with this issue.

 

[Cbaty08]

Wow.. I'm also surprised they are letting you drive the car around in such condition....

Talk about being a test mule.

Hope everything gets worked out the way you want it, OP.

 

[Guest]

For a few years the cars I worked on had seperate control units and hydraulic units for the traction/stability control. Withing the last 5(?) years they have begun integrating them together into a single electrohydraulic unit that saves space and operates faster. I don't know if Ford is doing that currently but if I were the tech working on this and had the data saved in the FDR then I would have replaced the entire unit and be done with it. The cost is probably huge($2,000+) just for the part but sometimes you have to swing for the fences.

I do understand why this is such a major problem in that it is so intermittent, making it not only hard to duplicate, hard to diagnose, hard to verify the repair, and also the lack of other cases means there is less shared diagnostic data.

Being the young 'techy' guy at my dealer they often drop gems like this case on me and it drives me nucking futs. You are making progress 11Red3.7, stick with it.:bigthumbsup

 

[Elite_Deforce]

Wow.. I'm also surprised they are letting you drive the car around in such condition....

Talk about being a test mule.

Hope everything gets worked out the way you want it, OP.

She implied that she didn't want to have crappy loaners especially since it was only happening once a month or so. I sympathise with her, but I still wouldn't drive the car around in that condition, infrequent or no. You put other people's lives and property at risk when you do that.

 

[Mikeyt03]

Same thing happened in my 2010 ford edge. It was dangerous trying to get on the highway when it goes crazy. The funny thing is, ford wouldn't even give me a rental and it was my only car, so I couldn't have it serviced. By the time I got around to going back to the dealership, I traded it in as they were diagnosing the issue, so I never knew what the issue was.


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[Elite_Deforce]

Same thing happened in my 2010 ford edge. It was dangerous trying to get on the highway when it goes crazy. The funny thing is, ford wouldn't even give me a rental and it was my only car, so I couldn't have it serviced. By the time I got around to going back to the dealership, I traded it in as they were diagnosing the issue, so I never knew what the issue was.


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Sound's like it's time to switch to Lexus. :laugh:

 

[Guest]

Wow.. I'm also surprised they are letting you drive the car around in such condition....

Talk about being a test mule.

Hope everything gets worked out the way you want it, OP.

We've been test mules in the military forever, guess we're used to it.

For a few years the cars I worked on had seperate control units and hydraulic units for the traction/stability control. Withing the last 5(?) years they have begun integrating them together into a single electrohydraulic unit that saves space and operates faster. I don't know if Ford is doing that currently but if I were the tech working on this and had the data saved in the FDR then I would have replaced the entire unit and be done with it. The cost is probably huge($2,000+) just for the part but sometimes you have to swing for the fences.

I do understand why this is such a major problem in that it is so intermittent, making it not only hard to duplicate, hard to diagnose, hard to verify the repair, and also the lack of other cases means there is less shared diagnostic data.

Being the young 'techy' guy at my dealer they often drop gems like this case on me and it drives me nucking futs. You are making progress 11Red3.7, stick with it.:bigthumbsup

What maker are you a tech for Grimace? Not Ford I guess. Always looking for good knowledgeable advice, fire me up if you have some. Thanks.

She implied that she didn't want to have crappy loaners especially since it was only happening once a month or so. I sympathise with her, but I still wouldn't drive the car around in that condition, infrequent or no. You put other people's lives and property at risk when you do that.

Putting lots of miles on it everyday as a commuter car it happens every 4 to 6 weeks on average. If it were occasionally driven 'round the block by the dealer they could have it for 6 months and never get any results, while I was driving a crap base model Mitsu Galant that reeked of cigarette smoke and BO. I've flown on enough missions after temp fixing with speed tape and safety wire that maybe it doesn't faze me as much anymore. Maybe it should...

Same thing happened in my 2010 ford edge. It was dangerous trying to get on the highway when it goes crazy. The funny thing is, ford wouldn't even give me a rental and it was my only car, so I couldn't have it serviced. By the time I got around to going back to the dealership, I traded it in as they were diagnosing the issue, so I never knew what the issue was.



Seen several others do the same, sadly some new owner gets a dangerous shock and is stuck with then trying to sort it out. I don't know if it's just me as a troubleshooter, or principle, or what, but I'd love to get this figured out and maybe help some others get theirs sorted out as well. Believe me there's been a couple times I felt like throwing my keys at them and demanding a new car, but that probably would have only gotten me a funny look. Because they've never seen it freak out, and only had my word that it was doing so until I got it recorded on the Vehicle Data Recorder. I was soooo relieved, now maybe this ball is rolling.

 

[Deadstick]

Very nice you (they)have some data to work with.
Mine has not done it for 8K miles now. Scary as hell when it happens, and I have to pull over and shut off the car and re-start it. No codes.