bama tunes anygood?

camonteverde said:

I bought the ford racing cold air intake a the wireless sct tuner to go along with that had a custome tune with 91 octane from bama and honestly i felt little to no gain so i went ahead and bought and installed the bbk LT Headers with bbk off road xpipe and pair of cherry bomb extremes today and yea it sounds bad ass but still i see little to no gain in power maybe its the tune? i have a tune being processed for the headers do you think that'll really wake it up? Or maybe i will have to get it tuned on a dyno ?

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Hey Camon,

The tune should definitely be waking your 3V up for sure!

The new V2 tunes are great and the feedback I am receiving about them is almost perfect!

Check out the gains here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ZDl4wCQM0&index=3&list=PLCqAT7px7woliP28h18-CuhQ7GM3VTzhT

In regards to your situation, I'm sure it's an easy fix and I can get your car burning rubber in no time.

Shoot me over a PM with your order # and contact info, I will have Bama's lead calibrator reach out to you, figure out what's going on, and get some kick-ass tunes written up!

Hope this helps and looking forward to hearing back.

-Will

Hey man,

Thank you for the PM!

I got your info right over to Bama's lead calibrator and he will be reaching out to you shortly!

I can guarantee that he will work with you to get your Stang' the best that it has ever been!

Keep us updated.

-Will

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The Dyno Tune will cost you $$$ Bama will take care of you a little data logging and they will dial it in.

My question is have you changed the Fuel Filter? How old are the Spark Plugs? Do you have a Catch Can? Have you cleaned the MAF and Throttle Body? These are easy checks and with a Tune Tweak from your Tuner can make the world of difference. I would disconnect the negative lead on your battery over night and go do some spirited driving so the computer can do some relearning.

T Wayne

Total awesomeness !!! and bama sent me my tune way fast took them 2days i can feel the differnce now but i never cleaned my throttle body nor have i changed my spark plugs granted i only had the car for about 10,000 miles you think if i cleand the throttle body And replace the ford racing air filter with a k&n reusable filter itll make a difference?

MaDDMaNN said:

I knock .5 second off my 1/4 mile time with a Bama 93 Race Tune and a Cold Air Intake. I got the same time with the Bama 91 Performance Tune. Works for me

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camonteverde said:

Total awesomeness !!! and bama sent me my tune way fast took them 2days i can feel the differnce now but i never cleaned my throttle body nor have i changed my spark plugs granted i only had the car for about 10,000 miles you think if i cleand the throttle body And replace the ford racing air filter with a k&n reusable filter itll make a difference?

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scooterrolls said:

I have had them tune for me several years now and they have really helped my 05 Gt. I have a few more bolt on's than you but I have gone from 9.0's in the 1/8 mile (stock) to mid 7's in the 1/8 with bolt on's and their tunes.

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Thanks for all of the kind words guys!

I love seeing these reviews like these as this is what the Bama team works so hard for.

My ears are ringing at least twice a day from different cars getting tweaked on the dyno.

If anyone ever needs anything, you know where to find me!

-Will

JonR2006 said:

I hope to have feedback soon if Bama ever emails me my tunes. Been a week now. I'll follow up with my impressions when I am able to load them and see. Mine is a 2V though...

I am glad to see the good reviews on here though.

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Hey Jon,

Sorry to hear that it has been taking so long but I am confident that you will love the tunes!

In the meantime, shoot me over a PM with your order # and I will reach out to the Bama team and see if we can expedite the tunes for you.

Looking forward to hearing back.

-Will

AMWill said:

Hey Jon,

Sorry to hear that it has been taking so long but I am confident that you will love the tunes!

In the meantime, shoot me over a PM with your order # and I will reach out to the Bama team and see if we can expedite the tunes for you.

Looking forward to hearing back.

-Will

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PM Sent, Will.

camonteverde said:

I bought the ford racing cold air intake a the wireless sct tuner to go along with that had a custome tune with 91 octane from bama and honestly i felt little to no gain so i went ahead and bought and installed the bbk LT Headers with bbk off road xpipe and pair of cherry bomb extremes today and yea it sounds bad ass but still i see little to no gain in power

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Yes you are correct....little to no gain.....

Here's a couple of links for thought...

The formula which is used by every air filter manufacturer in the world to determine the CFM for flat panel filters is...
Flat Panel CFM= Length x Width x 6

So, take you relatively stock engine, calc the max CFM based upon mfg specs; calc the max CFM the oem filter will flow....now show me how sticking a filter that will flow 900 CFM will increase the performance of an engine that can only suck in a 90% of the max cfm of a oem filter?

In 2012 on jay Leno’s garage, when inquired, Fords Mustang Chief Engineer Dave Pericak specifically stated that the use of an aftermarket CAI will do nothing to gain any power.
bad math, no science...all <acronym title="Page Ranking">PR materials for the sticker hp crowd!

Exhaust....

http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Common/pdfs/header_cat_xpipe_exhaust_tests.pdf

Tunes...

http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/tipsPDF/EnginePerformanceTechTips.pdf

JonR2006 said:

PM Sent, Will.

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Got it!

I just talked to Ryan and you will have the tunes ready to go by the end of the business day today!

Hope this helps and I can't wait for your feedback.

Let me know if you need anything else!

-Will

Beechkid said:

Yes you are correct....little to no gain.....

Here's a couple of links for thought...

The formula which is used by every air filter manufacturer in the world to determine the CFM for flat panel filters is...
Flat Panel CFM= Length x Width x 6

So, take you relatively stock engine, calc the max CFM based upon mfg specs; calc the max CFM the oem filter will flow....now show me how sticking a filter that will flow 900 CFM will increase the performance of an engine that can only suck in a 90% of the max cfm of a oem filter?

In 2012 on jay Leno’s garage, when inquired, Fords Mustang Chief Engineer Dave Pericak specifically stated that the use of an aftermarket CAI will do nothing to gain any power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LXYK4rR7Sw

bad math, no science...all <acronym title="Page Ranking"><acronym title="Page Ranking"><acronym title="Page Ranking"><acronym title="Page Ranking">PR materials for the sticker hp crowd!

Exhaust....

http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Common/pdfs/header_cat_xpipe_exhaust_tests.pdf

Tunes...

http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/tipsPDF/EnginePerformanceTechTips.pdf

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Interesting. I have the cai, FRPP mufflers, 62 mm TB and a 91 Bama performance tune, and the difference is dramatic. Do you think this test is fake (scroll down in the link and watch the 2 min vid)? Mustang CAI and Diablosport InTune Tuner (05-09 GT) - Free Shipping

Also, let's level set here - just watched the Leno vid. Their discussion of the cai was in specific reference to that 2013 Boss 302, and the Ford guy said you used to be able to get better gains with a cai, but not anymore. So if I had a 2013 Boss 302, I would stick with stock also. But on my 06, with the mods I did (and new plugs, I forgot to mention), the gains were very noticeable. Note - I do not have dyno numbers.

linderpat said:

Interesting. I have the cai, FRPP mufflers, 62 mm TB and a 91 Bama performance tune, and the difference is dramatic. Do you think this test is fake (scroll down in the link and watch the 2 min vid)? Mustang CAI and Diablosport InTune Tuner (05-09 GT) - Free Shipping

Also, let's level set here - just watched the Leno vid. Their discussion of the cai was in specific reference to that 2013 Boss 302, and the Ford guy said you used to be able to get better gains with a cai, but not anymore. So if I had a 2013 Boss 302, I would stick with stock also. But on my 06, with the mods I did (and new plugs, I forgot to mention), the gains were very noticeable. Note - I do not have dyno numbers.

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Ok, let's just take a look at basic physics.....and a completely separate simple engine.....Fords 5.4 V8 in the F150.....

This 5.4 V8 for example if close to stock can only suck in a maximum of 480 cfm and the oem flat panel filter will flow 500 cfm....so how can just a CAI force more air into an engine that is already injesting everything it can? It can't plan & simple- basic laws of physics without a forced induction system.

What many view as an issue (is the plastic intake tube with its noise canceling design) actually increases air pressure. It is the same hydraulic concept used by fire fighters creating water supply where psi is low. By having the air cross the path at a 90 degree angle, the pressure is increased proportionally. Fire fighters use what is called a “4-way valve” or “Blake Valve” at the hydrant where the water is cycled through the fire engine (pump) and sent back into the valve crossing the water flow at a 90 degree angle. In this case it also acts as a sound canceling device! At low speeds, this can reduce the flow a tad (which is what most “feel”), but in terms of peak hp/tq, a good high flow filter is all that is needed....again, basic physics.

Now about the marketing hype that if you have a CAI you need a custom program………….hogwash!!!!!! The OEM software system is designed to adjust the fuel mixture up to 10% (25% on the 2000+ mod engines).......that’s more than enough to handle fuel mixture adjustments up to 7,000 foot elevation change! (for high elevations 8,000+ there are oem software programs for those specific applications), there is simply no way any CAI on a relatively stock engine can increase the air flow enough to exceed the ECM’s ability to adjust and maintain the correct fuel mixture. The only reason for the “custom” program to support the CAI is because the design is poor resulting in false readings from the air intake sensors, etc….period! If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos.

If you look at the flow data, WIX HP filters flow 98+% of K&N and have a much smoother flow post filter plus excellent filtering, for a fraction of the price! on an OEM replacement unit.

and let's not forget Tesland Corp's air filter test....an ISO certified facility and conducted the tests under the same standards as they do for the oem's..

Duramax Air Filter Testing * - Diesel Bombers

I know...science and real data by an ISO certified test facility.

BTW----The formula which is used by every air filter manufacturer in the world uses to determine the CFM for flat panel filters is...
Flat Panel CM= Length x Width x 6


and with regards to....

"Do you think this test is fake"....

No, but did they follow the published standards of scientific analysis....no, absolutely not from what I have seen!!!!!

here is what the standard is.....

1. Once a baseline is established, was only one item/modification conducted at a time, the test run and a comparative analysis submitted verifying what each modification resulted? (similar to the Keene-Bell dyno test and written statement concerning hp/tq claims by aftermarket manufacturers)?

2. Were the test results repeatable (x3 minimum)...and the results the same each & every time?

3. Were the test results repeatable by independent 3rd party?

4. Were all environmental controls maintained (this includes internal & external impactors) including but not limited to, atmospheric temperature, humidity, air movement, fluid temperatures & viscosity (actual), rate of acceleration identical within the stated test criteria?

Most aftermarket dyno facilities do not have the ability, time, etc. to establish, identify or even validate these level of controls.....which are typically found at facilities such as Honda's Santa Clarita test facility (formula 1 car prep) or what was "Speedway Pattern"...where many of the indy & formula 1 cars up through the 80's were tested.

Have I personally modified (tuned) my own (modern) vehicles....yes;

While there is nothing that says there results are untrue, they cannot be considered meeting the standards of scientific accuracy and thereby must be considered "potential indicators of results and not proof" of what you will get.

I also do know of a single degreed, credentialed industry specific engineer who actually designs air intake systems (not- re-designs or re-engineers).....but actually works within the motorcycle, automotive and yes, even lawnmower industry (they actually have higher performance, flow & filtering demands than the auto/motorcycle industry does) who has ever come forth advising otherwise or validating any aftermarket claims that I am aware of....if I am wrong, I stand corrected......so I will just put that out there is advance.

The KB write-up in response to many aftermarket (exhaust specifically) "claims' is an excellent dissertation/explanation of what can be accomplished when the standards are not followed to the letter......ie creative marketing.

just in case I did not provide the link......

http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Common/pdfs/header_cat_xpipe_exhaust_tests.pdf

Beechkid said:

Ok, let's just take a look at basic physics.....and a completely separate simple engine.....Fords 5.4 V8 in the F150.....

This 5.4 V8 for example if close to stock can only suck in a maximum of 480 cfm and the oem flat panel filter will flow 500 cfm....so how can just a CAI force more air into an engine that is already injesting everything it can? It can't plan & simple- basic laws of physics without a forced induction system. . . . .

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Since we're talking physics -- 500 CFM at what pressure drop? Any fluid flow discussion is meaningless if you do not include the pressure differential part.

Without forced induction, the air is "pushed" in to the cylinders by atmospheric pressure, less the pressure drop in the intake. The whole point of any intake change is to reduce that pressure drop . . .