[kj_cinci]

M2 did the original port work. BBR had an exclusive with them for some amount of time. That time is over, so M2 offers the same heads now.

Cool, thanks, that makes sense and was my guess... I asked both parties back in June or so and nobody answered... hush hush...

Do you have the larger valves? What is the idea for that? They can't have opened up the intake 1mm and the exhaust 2mm...?? No room I'd think...??

How much power is in the cams? 15-20 maybe? The reason I'm asking is so that we'll get an idea were I should be if your numbers holds up... My power adders at that point; CAI, CMDP (ported to match the heads), P&P heads, UD Pulleys, LW flywheel, X-pipe, axle-backs, X-Cal with tunes by Ken at MD. Would be nice (for us both) if I could pull +350... kinda prove your point! :winks

 

[JohnnyZ]

Cool, thanks, that makes sense and was my guess... I asked both parties back in June or so and nobody answered... hush hush...

Do you have the larger valves? What is the idea for that? They can't have opened up the intake 1mm and the exhaust 2mm...?? No room I'd think...??

How much power is in the cams? 15-20 maybe? The reason I'm asking is so that we'll get an idea were I should be if your numbers holds up... My power adders at that point; CAI, CMDP (ported to match the heads), P&P heads, UD Pulleys, LW flywheel, X-pipe, axle-backs, X-Cal with tunes by Ken at MD. Would be nice (for us both) if I could pull +350... kinda prove your point! :winks

between the cams and the tuning changing the VCT they are supposedly, and I use that word very strongly... SUPPOSEDLY good for 30-40 horsepower. But who freakin knows anymore. I'm so over this crap.
If I was at the freakin dyno setion, I would have video'd the stupid thing so that this whole BS drama crap would have never happened. The big problem is, is that BBR is a small no name company, and they did something right and now one wants to beleive them. But thats good for me I guess, i'll always just a step ahead of everyone else horsepower wise. :laughlitt


But when the car finally gets redyno'd, you'll get your answers I guess. Even though someone will probably throw up the BS flag at that too, saying that I used video editing or something. :sosad:

 

[kj_cinci]

Wow, that is a GREAT gain if it holds true!

No thoughts on the larger valves?
When will you re-dyno? And good luck on that, I hope it comes out the same or better!

 

[JohnnyZ]

Wow, that is a GREAT gain if it holds true!

No thoughts on the larger valves?
When will you re-dyno? And good luck on that, I hope it comes out the same or better!

sorry, forgot to answer the valve question.

they are the same size valve. They are just ferrea stainless replacement valves. much stronger.

... personally I hope the car proves itself too. I hope that we can even get it dialed in more when we put it back on the dyno so we can make even more power with it and rub it in those fuggers faces even more. LOL

but i'm not jumpping the gun, i'm just a little irritated at the situation... thats all.

 

[kj_cinci]

Talked to Ron at Fox Lake today. Was in the car so I didn't write anything down but this I think is the numbers...

Lift - Intake / Exhaust CFM

.500 - 260 / 190 [max with stock cams]
.550 - 265 / 200
.600 - 270 / 210

Or something like that... The exhaust numbers are impressive concidering that is the one lone valve... It's also higher than I've seen elsewhere...

 

[kj_cinci]

I was there at MD (www.modulardepot.com) when Ken got the e-mail from SCT CONFIRMING the 384 dyno number! I must say it felt good! Even better I'm sure for Johnny and BBR now when it's out a Corral! http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=707198 I guess as a part of this site I should not redirect you so please return after looking at that thread! :winks I'm sure too you'll see we're nicer and better behaved here too... lol

Eric from SCT and Ken from MD comes in on page 9... making it even more interesting! I think this is the biggest drama about 'nothing' I've ever seen in the Mustang world! Now very many of the BEST race car/engine builders, drivers and tuners are involved! Next NMRA race there will prolly be fist fights, LOL! I hope not!

Below are some 'stolen' parts my friend and tuner Ken wrote... I glued them in because he's talking about my car and heads! Hopefully they'll go on next week and we can show some great numbers and maybe ppl realize mid to high 300's is possible addin cams...!?!

"If you want good dynojet numbers on a NA 05, we are doing a set of Fox Lake heads on a car very soon. We already have the heads on the shop. We are just waiting to schedule the car in. It will retain the stock cams though.

Knowing how bad my flow numbers were and how good the 3v's can flow (based off of Fox Lake's set at my shop) and the possibility of a good set of cams, I don't see why 350+ couldn't happen with stock compression. I'm certainly not going to bash a company based on theory and what people "think" a combo will do. Now, if the next few cars out there aren't making that kind of power, then maybe the results here will be suspect. But until then, I think you should reserve your bashing and tone it down a bit. This just seems like a witch hunt."

"Funny how you are telling me how much a 4V FS motor makes when I tuned the world record holder in that category. Maybe the average NMRA 4V FS motor makes that much." I think my car and I are in good hands...!??! lol, kj :tongue

 

[JohnnyZ]

i'm glad someone agrees with me.

 

[kj_cinci]

So what is the story on the motor...?? We got the race fuel Q sorted out...

Has it been out of the car? What was done to it? Is it still a 281 with stock compression?

 

[kj_cinci]

My Fox Lake heads flow about the same as the BBR set up. I don't have cams (waiting for SC cams.) I'll know by the end of the week what my car do on a correct set DynoJet with most of the bolt-ons + heads and LW flywheel, and a custome tune by one of the best... If I'm close to 350 BBR has a case...!!

 

[005 GT]

This is a great thread. am learning a lot from you guys. thanks KJ and Johnny Z.

BTW Johnny Z. awesome awesome ride that LNR is. BBR and you did some great work there.

 

[buschris]

Would like to see some more cam/head choices for the 4.0 V6. *hint hint*

 

[kj_cinci]

There will be LOTS-A cams comming out now... you guys at SEMA fill us in, I've heard that there was plenty to choose from, GT SC, GT NA, GT Turbo, V6 NA, V6 Turbo.... Street, street extreme, drag...

 

[Johnstone610]

yea i second cinici keep us updated at sema!

 

[vynle]

found it . what a great setup this forum has .great job in design. didnt even realize it went that far back. this will keep me up for nights.vynle.:smoke:

 

[mustangaretuff]

Looks like things got pretty heated about this issue. The one thing no one really talked about was the "area under the curve" You know the amount of power an engine makes over the entire operating range. You can see by the dyno results that the cams and head prefer to be reved a little to really work. I think that is what make the number believable. I would have been inclined to call BS if the low - mid range had increased significantly

 

[kj_cinci]

Looks like things got pretty heated about this issue. The one thing no one really talked about was the "area under the curve" You know the amount of power an engine makes over the entire operating range. You can see by the dyno results that the cams and head prefer to be reved a little to really work. I think that is what make the number believable. I would have been inclined to call BS if the low - mid range had increased significantly

Yea, that's that 'home ground' cam that is said not to last too long... same for the cam actuators and VT...

That's also what makes it compair to a Stage III cam... not for [normal] street... it will sound tuff, it will go like hell but do you wanna heel-toe drive all day long to keep it 'idling'... and downshift for 4K+ RPM to have some/any(?) 'get-up-N-GO'...?!?