Event Data Recorder

Halo 819

· #2 · Oct 15, 2005

Redfire Dave: How so I disconnect the event data recorder module?

HAL 2000: What are you doing Dave?

RD: Nothing important HAL. I'm just wiggling this little connector here...

HAL: Stop it Dave. Why do you want to hurt me?

RD: I can't hurt you. You are just a computer.

HAL: (While slamming the drivers seat forward pinning Dave against the dashboard) I don't want to hurt you Dave. I think of you as a friend. Please stop it now.

RD: Arggh! HAL, retract driver seat! Retract driverrrrrrrrr..........

HAL: I'm sorry Dave.

Sorry about that your question was just too like 2001 Space Oddessy.

Why do you want to disconnect it? If you get into an accident and it has been disabled then you can kiss your insurance payment goodbye.

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Tastyone

· #3 · Oct 15, 2005

Rofl!!!!!!!!

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Silver_One

Discussion Starter · #4 · Oct 16, 2005

Halo 819 said:
Redfire Dave: How so I disconnect the event data recorder module?

HAL 2000: What are you doing Dave?

RD: Nothing important HAL. I'm just wiggling this little connector here...

HAL: Stop it Dave. Why do you want to hurt me?

RD: I can't hurt you. You are just a computer.

HAL: (While slamming the drivers seat forward pinning Dave against the dashboard) I don't want to hurt you Dave. I think of you as a friend. Please stop it now.

RD: Arggh! HAL, retract driver seat! Retract driverrrrrrrrr..........

HAL: I'm sorry Dave.

Sorry about that your question was just too like 2001 Space Oddessy.

Why do you want to disconnect it? If you get into an accident and it has been disabled then you can kiss your insurance payment goodbye.

At the moment, insurance companies cannot access that information without the permission of the owner of the vehicle. Legal attempts are being made to make the owner of the data the vehicle and if this is successful anyone can access the information at anytime. The problem is called privacy. If these privacy risks are not addressed in a serious manner, other organizations – both government and private – will successfully gain access to this data in violation of individual privacy rights. The resulting legal and political challenges from the huge class of affected people – all vehicle owners and drivers – will undoubtedly endanger the primary purpose of this data which is to improve vehicle and roadway safety. So I say block the sucker --- I like my privacy!!!

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Halo 819

· #5 · Oct 16, 2005

Here is the rub though. If you get involved in a serious accident that involves a fatality then the event data recorder module WILL be accessed. If it is and there is evidence that the system has been tampered with and disabled, that information will be presented to a jury and it will imply guilt. Also you cannot access the info to prove your innocence in court. If the module would have shown that you were only doing 30mph and had the throttle closed and the brakes on in the seconds before impact then this proof is lost to you.

The reasoning of the jury is gonna be "Well if he went to the trouble of disconnecting the recorder then he was obviously up to no good at all."

If the info is unavailable then the insurance company is gonna laugh in your face when you put in the claim for damages.

That is what I am trying to point out. I believe that it only stores 15 seconds or so in info anyway.

I went through the same privacy issues with EasyPass. I hated the idea the I could be tracked on where I was going. But now that I have it, it is so much nicer zipping across the bridges while the cash only line is sitting still.

So I guess that the moral of the story is to be a good boy and keep things with in reason. You should have no troubles.

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Silver_One

Discussion Starter · #6 · Oct 16, 2005

AND pray the SOB records it correctly so you are not wrongfully accused & convicted. Trust it I don't -- everything man-made is subject to error.

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Halo 819

· #7 · Oct 16, 2005

LOL! Ok then!

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GTNOS

· #8 · Oct 16, 2005

halo is right, the EDR's only record the last 15 or so seconds before a crash. It mainly records such things as throttle position, ABS information, veh speed, airbag deployment, seatbelt usage, and fuel system cutoff. it does not have a GPS so it cannot track you. the only system i know of that can track you, and law enforcement can use it, is OnStar. OnStar has a GPS, and they can punch up exactly where you are, where you have been in the last 72 hours!!! it stores it and they can pull it all up. your car just has a black box for crash data, nothing more. leave it be. and if the data is wrong a good accident reconstructionist will prove it. we had an officer wreck his new Impala. EDR said the engine was at full throttle when he wrecked. he was in deep @#%&. the reconstructionist measured his skids and was able to determine that he was only doing 65 mph in a 65 mph zone. the accident happened as he was accelerating up to speed, so the EDR reported full throttle... suggesting high speed. my point is that they dont just go by the EDR, they will still work your accident like anyone elses. most time the EDR is not even pulled b/c they already know what happened from the investigation. those EDR's have to be sent off to be read. it takes weeks. 99% of accidents will not have enough unanswered questions to warrant the officer having the EDR pulled for answers. we already know your speed and actions from looking at the scene, wreckage, measuring skids, witness statements, driver statements, etc. and a good investigator/officer is very accurate. trust me, ive been doing this for some time now. and i have never pulled an EDR out of approx 300+accidents i have worked. it just isnt needed. if it is, its b/c you and everyone else were killed in the accident, and not available to tell us what happened. and once your dead, all bets on criminal charges are off. so dont worry about it.

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· #9 · Oct 17, 2005

Halo 819 said:
Redfire Dave: How so I disconnect the event data recorder module?

HAL 2000: What are you doing Dave?

RD: Nothing important HAL. I'm just wiggling this little connector here...

HAL: Stop it Dave. Why do you want to hurt me?

RD: I can't hurt you. You are just a computer.

HAL: (While slamming the drivers seat forward pinning Dave against the dashboard) I don't want to hurt you Dave. I think of you as a friend. Please stop it now.

RD: Arggh! HAL, retract driver seat! Retract driverrrrrrrrr..........

HAL: I'm sorry Dave.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Now THAT's funny!

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SharpTJ

· #10 · Oct 18, 2005

GTNOS said:
halo is right, the EDR's only record the last 15 or so seconds before a crash. It mainly records such things as throttle position, ABS information, veh speed, airbag deployment, seatbelt usage, and fuel system cutoff. it does not have a GPS so it cannot track you. the only system i know of that can track you, and law enforcement can use it, is OnStar. OnStar has a GPS, and they can punch up exactly where you are, where you have been in the last 72 hours!!! it stores it and they can pull it all up. your car just has a black box for crash data, nothing more. leave it be. and if the data is wrong a good accident reconstructionist will prove it. we had an officer wreck his new Impala. EDR said the engine was at full throttle when he wrecked. he was in deep @#%&. the reconstructionist measured his skids and was able to determine that he was only doing 65 mph in a 65 mph zone. the accident happened as he was accelerating up to speed, so the EDR reported full throttle... suggesting high speed. my point is that they dont just go by the EDR, they will still work your accident like anyone elses. most time the EDR is not even pulled b/c they already know what happened from the investigation. those EDR's have to be sent off to be read. it takes weeks. 99% of accidents will not have enough unanswered questions to warrant the officer having the EDR pulled for answers. we already know your speed and actions from looking at the scene, wreckage, measuring skids, witness statements, driver statements, etc. and a good investigator/officer is very accurate. trust me, ive been doing this for some time now. and i have never pulled an EDR out of approx 300+accidents i have worked. it just isnt needed. if it is, its b/c you and everyone else were killed in the accident, and not available to tell us what happened. and once your dead, all bets on criminal charges are off. so dont worry about it.

quoted for truth!!!

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