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I’ve been looking at getting a new Mustang GT for a few years now (never owned a Mustang and only drove a base V6 Mustang 2.73 rear manual). 2011 seems to be the year to get one.

I’ve pretty much figured out what options I want on the 5.0 GT, but the gear ratio has been difficult to resolve which will be best for my needs. The conventional wisdom on the site has been get the 3.73 on the 2010 and earlier, but does the same still hold true for the 5.0 and 6-speed?

A few people with the 2011 GT have said 1st gear is very low with the 3.73. Even someone with the 3.55 said they might have gone with the 3.31 and made 1st more usable and saved $400 to boot.

Before we look at the data, note I don’t care much about 0-60 times. I want sporty daily driver that is fun to drive. But I also didn’t want some overly tall-geared vehicle that zapped some of the fun of rowing the gearbox myself.

So I compared the 2010 3.73 vs. a 2011 with a 3.31, 3.55 or 3.73. Most people seem to be happy with the 2010-3.73 (except for high RPM freeway cruising), so I consider this to be the benchmark for comparison sake.

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When comparing the transmission ratios for the 2010 vs. 2011 the thing I noticed first is how low the 2011 1st gear is compared with the 2010. Top gear 2010-5th vs. 2011-6th is closer percentage wise, but 2011 1st is quite a bit lower.

The spreadsheet (also attached the XLS file) shows the 2011-3.31 is 3.9% taller than the 2010-3.73. The 2011-3.31 2nd through 5th ratios are closer than the 2010, which should help keep the 5.0 on boil. Then the 2011-3.31 6th is 15.2% taller over the 2010-3.73 5th for good fuel economy on the freeway and lower RPM cruising (I hate cars and motorcycles that run too high an RPM on the freeway and I always feel the need to shift one higher).

The 2011-3.73 1st gear is 8.3% lower than a 2010-3.73. This makes the 2011-3.73 1st gear about the same at a 2010-4.10 which is much too low for my needs. Then the 2011-3.73 6th gear is only 4.4% higher than the 2010-3.73 5th, which will reduce RPM by about 100 at 70MPH. The 5.0 has so much power, I wanted 6th to be an overdrive for better highway MPG and not have the 6th equivalent to the 2010-3.73 5th.

I’ve been trying to locate a 5.0 manual for a week or two now, and can’t find one. So the likelihood of finding a 5.0 with various gear ratios to try back-to-back is low. Hence, I’ve got to rationalize my gear ratio choice without actually having a back-to-back comparison.

The 2011-3.73 just seems to be geared too low for my needs. The 3.55 might be considered as well, but for $400 I’m not sure that I’ll gain much benefit for my driving style.

So it seems the 3.31 is the right choice for me. It compares well to the 2010-3.73. 1st gear is a bit taller, but 2nd though 5th are closer and 6th is a nice overdrive. A taller first gear might be more daily-driver-usable anyway, especially with the extra power of a 5.0.

Anyway, that is my gear ratio rationalization. Maybe this will help someone else. Let me know what you think.
 

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I question myself on this one too, I have a 08 with 3.31's. car is fun to drive, but I also spent several hundred dollars to make it faster, Once you start modding it and can actually feel the difference in power, you will want the 3.73's, No matter what RPM or gear you are in, it will be faster:bounce2:. If you plan on keeping it stock and speed(power) doesn't matter, get the 3.7 or put in FRPP 2.73 in the 5.0.

I didn't look at the actual ratios for individual gears vs the 08(before I ordered my 5.0), but have driven a 08 bullitt w/ factory 3.73's and loved the difference betweeen it and my 08. What is an extra shift in the 1/4 mile? one less shift in the 1/2 mile!
 

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Good Post

Thanks for posting this. It helped me understand gears better.
 

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Truthfully if you are not worried about 0-60 times the 3.31 would probably do the best for you. For spirited driving say in the mountains or such you are not worried about taking off and with the 6 speed you will be able to find the gear you need when you need it.
So for me I would want the 3.31 gears. But that is me.
I am the type that will work on Handling over straight line speed anyways.
 

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I wondered the difference between a 11 GT500 six speed and a 11 GT six speed since the reverse is in the opposite location in the shift pattern. Now i know that the GT has a single over drive while the 500 has a double over drive.
 

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I was thinking that with the final drive ratios that the 2011 was even lower then the 2010 with the 3.73. Maybe closer to 4.30 in the 2010. I know that the individual ratios may be the same but when all the gear ratios are factored in that the 2011's are actually much lower then the 2010's. I think to strickly compare the ratios it is like apples to oranges. The 3.73 in the 2011 is really low and in a 1/4 mile will necessiate shifting into 4th before the end which, could cost you time over the 3.55. Know that the OP was not interested in 0-60 or 1/4 mile times but it was given for an illustration on how low the 2011's are with the 3.73. Maybe a lot of fun but really lower then the 2010's. Maybe someone with more gear experience then I could say it better or make better sense of it.
 

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I ran a what if spread sheet on the 2011 transmission. I figured out that if I opted for the 3.55, my first gear would be close to the 2010 with a 3.73 rear while the 6th would be like the 2010's 5th with 3.31s. And that does not even consider the extra HP and torque of that 5.0 engine. So I imagine my 2008 with its 3.73s with another 80 HP and another 50 ft pounds of Torque. I think it would be plenty... over kill even.
Were it me about to pull the trigger on a 5.0, I would either leave it at 3.31 or maybe opt for the 3.55s. No lower unless you plan on using drag radials.
 

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Right, I think 3.73 is overkill for many people. I was going to go with the 3.73's just because everyone thought it was best, but running the numbers shows it's just too low. Plus saving $400 is nice.

The 2011 1st is a tiny bit higher, but 2nd to 5th is much lower than on a 2010. With this close gear ratio spacing and the high HP motor, it should feel plenty quick.

Can't wait to test drive one (and hopefully own one). The car looks like a blast!
 

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Thank you for the spread sheet and bringing this subject up again. I had mentioned it before because too many people were comparing the old trans gearing and what they had to the new ones. What seemed good with the old ratio of 3.73 has about the same "snap" of the line with the 3.55, besides having the extra 100 hp.
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What's the difference in first gear, 2 mph? With the major chunk of HP and torque above 3500, 3.73s make sense.
 

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What's the difference in first gear, 2 mph? With the major chunk of HP and torque above 3500, 3.73s make sense.
That's what drove me to order the 3.73.
 

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What's the difference in first gear, 2 mph? With the major chunk of HP and torque above 3500, 3.73s make sense.
Yeah, but there's a bigger difference in gears 2-6. Since I'm leaning toward twisty back-country driving (which often requires a boring trip at interstate speeds to reach) and not that interested in stoplight duels (way too much traffic/cops where I live), the 3.31 or 3.55 seems more appropriate.

I can always drop a gear to keep the rev's up in the corners, but still get decent highway mpg on the trip to Twisty Canyon Road. (You Cali guys are sooo lucky, at least as far as GT/sport bike roads are concerned!)
 

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We do have lots of canyons to carve through. Although the condition of those roads has noticeably deteriorated to here the game is more of dodging pot holes instead of carving a line. Be happy your not in the land of progressive failures.
 

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Thought you might like to see the tach in sixth @ 60.

BTW I shift to second @ 20-25 mph when the intake sound starts to invade the cabin.
 

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I test drove a 11 gt with 3.31s and I do recall the rpms being lower at 60 than yours.

One thing to consider is if there is enough power in 6th gear so that you aren't constantly downshifting at 60-65. Before I did any work on the Vette or Harley, I rarely used 6 gear because I was constantly downshifting to get the rpms up. Maybe not an issue with 412hp.
 

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Thanks for posting this OP. This is really interesting. I think I'm pretty set on getting the 3.73 gears. I want the power. I really wish I could test drive a GT but there are none in the area. I'd like to compare the 3.73 and 3.31.

I'm hoping the 3.73 won't be too much. Can there be such a thing?
 

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emilram11,

Maybe this will help... Just my opinion...

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...-2011-mustang-test-drives-humble-opinion.html

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Thanks Eddie. That did help. I'm not trying to hijack this thread so OP, butt-in if you think this is off subject...

Do the 3.73 gears pull too much in first gear from a stop? Would it be hard to control in a bumper to bumper "creep" situation?

Also, what MPG are people estimating on the 3.73 gears?

Thanks all in advance.
 

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According to the math; a 3.31:1 axle ratio with the new 6-spd manual is equivalent to having a 3.55 axle in 1st gear, and a 4.10 axle in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears with the old 5-spd.

I made a "speed in gear" chart to help compare the different ratios before I ordered the 2011 GT.

FWIW, I chose the 3.31 and am VERY happy, about 1400 miles on it so far. As a point of reference I owned a 2010 GT w/ a 3.55, a 2009 GT w/ 3.31, and a 2008 GT w/ 4.10.
 

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According to the math; a 3.31:1 axle ratio with the new 6-spd manual is equivalent to having a 3.55 axle in 1st gear, and a 4.10 axle in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears with the old 5-spd.

I made a "speed in gear" chart to help compare the different ratios before I ordered the 2011 GT.

FWIW, I chose the 3.31 and am VERY happy, about 1400 miles on it so far. As a point of reference I owned a 2010 GT w/ a 3.55, a 2009 GT w/ 3.31, and a 2008 GT w/ 4.10.
Cool chart but I'd like to understand it more. Which columns are which axles? Also, are these max speeds per gear?
 
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