[stevegt2012]

For the 2013s, that mean and classic look is already gone, and the changes they made makes them look alike with a big wide mouth open and some ricey looking "aftermarket Japanese" tail lights. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's just a start to what's coming next...

Definitely agree with this ^

 

[KC3333]

I would like to suggest they will be collectible across all years. 05-09 parallel 65&66 with squarer design, smaller wheels, weaker engines, 10-12 like 67&68 (my favorite. ) with rounded, more muscular style and bigger engines, 13&14 may be like 69&70, bigger and bolder with an eye on matching the (new back then) competition, etc. Hopefully the 15 +'s won't be like 74-78's!


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[nuclearjunky]

For the 2013s, that mean and classic look is already gone, and the changes they made makes them look alike with a big wide mouth open and some ricey looking "aftermarket Japanese" tail lights. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's just a start to what's coming next...

I'm not a fan of the front end either but I gotta get me some of those tail lights.:drool:

 

[KC3333]

. And all of this looking at the 13s online (coupled with the first round of reviews) is starting to make the 10-12 look (dare I say it?) old.
Different strokes and all, I guess.

Blasphemy!!


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[Bizzaro]

Blasphemy!!

Blasphemy? Perhaps... But someone needs to stand up for the honor of my unbuilt car. :bigthumbsup

 

[KC3333]

Didn't Ford produce something like 50,000 -70,000 Mustang 5.0s in 2011-12? That's a lot of cars. Maybe, many years from now, when 95% of them are off the road, a pristine/restored 5.0 will be marginally collectible. But classic cars don't go for big money unless there is something "special" about them; special COPO or racing engine with low production, special racing edition, or a model that had a low production count, etc. A regular Mustang GT is just too "common" to ever be a highly sought after car.

Everyone said the same thing to my dad about his 65 coupe. And a lot more of those classics were produced (1 million was hit during the 66 MY). His car turned collectible within 10 years, but cars are on the road as DDs a lot longer these days.

Then there's the Fox body parallel. Only the really rare ones seem highly desirable.

What I think tilts us more toward the classics collectible pattern is the emphasis on retro-mod styling, performance and racing, and build and mod your own that these cars have had. Collectibility seems dependent on the original fan base of the car and how passionate they are or were. I think 05+'s have a strong fanbase and prospects for great staying power.


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[KC3333]

Blasphemy? Perhaps... But someone needs to stand up for the honor of my unbuilt car. :bigthumbsup

I was totally joking. And I agree. The 13's are getting dissed too much. "I can't tell the apart from a GT500." Like you're gonna mix it up in a parking lot or something! . (Again... Kidding)


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[Pennjeweler]

The biggest factor if they will be collectible in the future will be the "demand" it dos'nt really matter how many are produced today. How many survive 20 years from now would be a big factor too. Look at how many early 65 thru 70 stangs were produced (well over a million) compared to todays cars (what 50,000 per year?). a car can be very rare but not collectabile because nobody wants it (yugo anyone?) or failry common with a high "demand" which would push the price up. But why worry about it? Drive it today and enjoy it!

 

[Bizzaro]

I was totally joking.
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Yeah, I know. I'm pretty good at picking up humor and/or sarcasm on forum posts. It's a skill. No big deal.

 

[Jpmotorsport]

Really appreciate all the little upgrades but just can't get over the front end and the V6-ish bottom part.

I also happen to agree that the first year/gen of the 4V 5.0 will be remembered - in automotive literature and such as a milestone. Another chapter in the mustang book, like the SVT Cobra, Cobra R's, SVO, '87/'84/'79 GT's, Boss 351/429 etc.

Collectable? Maybe in one man's sense and not the other.

 

[Pete Grimaldi]

Well, my 1970 mustang 302 c.i. AT convertible was purchased with investment in mind. I learned my lesson on that. I spent money on the car equal to what I paid for it, and barely broke even when I sold it after owning it for almost 15 years! Most cars are not going to make you money. Drive it, and enjoy it. When you get bored with it, or want to cheat on it, buy a new one.

Pete

 

[Guest]

For similar reasons I think the v6s will be semi collectible. Looking 10-15+ years in the future with gas prices the way they are going, I can see the 3.7L equipped cars being more desirable for someone who might actually want to drive a muscle car. The 5.0s would be great for a collector to put one in their garage, but rarely use it. Plus the v6 responds nicely to FI without much detriment to fuel economy. I'm betting that Ford is going to put a FI 4 cylinder engine in the 2015+ entry level mustang and that might be less interesting to many collectors. I'm not sure how many were built for 2012 but in 2011 about 27,500 v6s were built.

 

[LMC13]

As several have pointed out, whether it's collectable or not is up to demand, not production numbers or other factors. Right now, I can say the car is immediately recognizable as a Mustang, mostly from it's retro front end styling. This makes lots and lots of people do a double take and comment on my car and tell me how incredible it looks. As crazy as it sounds, I've had a couple who couldn't even tell whether it's new or a classic old car! Bottom line, IMO, the current look is amazing, recognizable and will definitely always be admired...which will ultimately lead to... demand. I'm not saying it's going to be a top-notch, rare collectable, but I firmly believe it will be a sought after and notable model for many years to come. :yup:

WRT 2013 MY... it is a beautiful car, no doubt about it. But it is the start of a transition to what's to come. Less retro styling, more rounded looks with less edge. It's all good and I'm glad it's part of the Mustang future! :bigthumbsup

 

[mallen]

Guys,

I've been reading the new 2013 Mustang 5.0 reviews and watching their video clips and it got me thinking...2011/12 Mustangs will be borderline collector's items like 2003/04 Cobras or the mid 80s hatchback 5.0s. I say this because...

1. The 2011/12 model years marked the now legendary and game changing (IMO) return of the 5.0 engine in Coyote and Road Runner forms.

2. The 2010-2012 model years established a more modern muscle car front end that looks like nothing else on the road, especially with HID headlights or custom grills.

3. The small suspension tweaks, brake upgrades, and interchangeable steering took the Mustang out of the pony/muscle car world and put in the true performance car category that can hang with or beat the legendary M3. Now that's saying something.

4. The Boss 302 specialty edition was revived in the the 2011/12 model years and all of it's cosmetic parts can be bought separately for standard GT owners.

5. Now here is the kicker that truly distinguishes the 2011/12 model for years to come. The 2013 Mustang 5.0 has the refreshed front grill that may or may not be attractive, but it looks just like a 2013 V6 or GT500. They all of the same exact headlights. Only the lower air dam and hood features single them out. You will never be able to tell from a distance. I feel that the quad headlights just don't belong on 2013 GT front end. It's not proportional. The 2011/12 front end is totally unique and customizable from different standard/HID headlights, grills, and lower factory valances that can be swapped. Again it look like nothing else on the road. I really like that the 2011/12 Mustang models totally distinguishes themselves. Now they all look the same for the upcoming 2013 models.

These reasons make me proud to be an 2011/12 Mustang 5.0 owner. I think the body style, especially the front end, will withstand the test of time because the styling willing only be produced for 3 years (2 for 5.0 owners) so I think they will become a little rare and not be so common. I just think they will stand out from the rest.

Mine will probably never make it to collector status as I will beat the hell out of it,but I think your right. The 10s wont be as desirable becuase the 11s and 12s got the new engine. The 13s may be collectable since the 14s will be different and there is only one year of that body style. Then again,I think the 12s (and 11s and 10s) really look nice. That look is what made me want one. It just made me think "this is what a Mustang SHOULD be like"

 

[mallen]

Great comments guys. Again, I'm not saying it will be a definite collectors item. I'm saying it may be a borderline collectors item like at an 95-96 Impala or a 91 5.0 or 98-2000 Integra or the original Harley Davidson F-150. These are all cars that we see everyday, but today's car enthusiast absolutely love them. They aren't necessarily rare, but you enjoy when you see a nice, clean one rolling on the freeway. I think the 2011/2012 5.0s will be the seen in this light. The funny thing is that I already get that vibe from people at the gas station. Numerous non-car enthusiasts ask, "Dang what is that!" because my car doesn't have any large pony symbols and there's no Ford logos on the body. All they see is 5.0 and GT symbols.


All I'm saying is that 15 years from now people will be like "Man I sure wish I still had 2012 5.0 with those mean quad head lights"

The thing is,first of all,in 50 years,any car from now ,mint and restored will be a collectors item. Even a Yugo is collectable by the right collector. The question is,how much is it worth and how much demand is there.

 

[Asphalt Cowboy]

For similar reasons I think the v6s will be semi collectible. Looking 10-15+ years in the future with gas prices the way they are going, I can see the 3.7L equipped cars being more desirable for someone who might actually want to drive a muscle car. The 5.0s would be great for a collector to put one in their garage, but rarely use it. Plus the v6 responds nicely to FI without much detriment to fuel economy. I'm betting that Ford is going to put a FI 4 cylinder engine in the 2015+ entry level mustang and that might be less interesting to many collectors. I'm not sure how many were built for 2012 but in 2011 about 27,500 v6s were built.

You can be sure that the new V6s will have even better MPG than the ones right now, so this will not be an aspect of why these 2011/12 will be desired, I think it's mostly about the look that makes the difference.

Like today, I mean I would really consider a 2003/04 Terminator or a 2003/04 Mach1 over a 2005/09, these Mustangs were and still are truly awesome! (see pics below) Performance will always be bitten, as the years go by, so far, the next generation as always been more powerful, what make the difference is when you have a powerful machine with a the look that turns heads, then you have a winner, something special! And I think, the 2011/12 like the 2003/04 Terminators & Mach 1 are this kind of Mustangs that really stands out.

 

[mallen]

Everyone said the same thing to my dad about his 65 coupe. And a lot more of those classics were produced (1 million was hit during the 66 MY). His car turned collectible within 10 years, but cars are on the road as DDs a lot longer these days.

Then there's the Fox body parallel. Only the really rare ones seem highly desirable.

What I think tilts us more toward the classics collectible pattern is the emphasis on retro-mod styling, performance and racing, and build and mod your own that these cars have had. Collectibility seems dependent on the original fan base of the car and how passionate they are or were. I think 05+'s have a strong fanbase and prospects for great staying power.


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That is a point,for instance,someone who really really wanted one now at 18 years old but ended up driving a 10 year old Honda through college,then got married,had kids and bought a minivan might well pay a premium for a fully restored one in 30 years. It all depends on what Ford makes in the mean time. Lets gaze into the crystal ball.....

For instance,say in 2014 the new model comes.... In two engines,a turbo 270HP 2.0 4 banger,and a 370HP direct injected V6. Its exterior takes its cues from the 13... in that it takes all the changes to the 13,and eliminates all the things about the 13 that are inherently "Mustangish". They end up with a sole-less vehicle that's more about driving from place to place to just driving for the fun of it. Finally,in 2016 they come out with, as the Ford Marketing people put it in the brochure, "the most exciting new mustang since the Fox body" (WTF?) The Mustang Hybrid. At first,some people are optimistic. Maybe their boasts about putting the "latest technology" into their iconic car mean they did it right. Maybe they took the 380HP V6 and added a state of the art hybrid system to it,adding another 150HP and gobs of on demand electric torque! Unfortunately that's not to be. Instead,they took the 4 banger,took the turbo off it and replaced it with the hybrid system,for a grand total of 220HP.

This soleless monstrosity languishes on and on. Getting worse and worse. The 2025 Mustang,according to the marketing gurus is the "most exciting Mustang yet" Its electric. Thats not so bad in itself,because electric cars have come a long way. They have a 400 mile range and can recharge at conveniently located charging stations in 10 minutes. Teslas are in fact the new Ferrari and Teslas new 2 million dollar super car has to be fed liquid nitrogen to cool its four superconducting motors and the superconducting electromagnetic energy storage ring,and puts down 1500HP. Whats bad is,the Mustang does not have any of that stuff. It has a 20 year old lithium ion battery design,the horsepower is reduced to 100 and whats worse is,it has 4 doors.:weeps


35 years later,the kids are done with college,the house is paid off early and that guy wants the kind car he would have liked when he was young. He dies a little inside every time he sees people getting into the rear doors of a "Mustang". He wants a "real" Mustang and the last ones are the S197. Suddenly,its collectable.


On the other hand,maybe Ford does it right. The V6 gets replaced with a 270HP direct injected turbo. Maybe they up it to 2.4L and it gets 320. The GT keeps its V8,they add direct injection and it gets 460HP. The Shelby goes up to 700. By 2025,there IS a hybrid Mustang. It REPLACES the smaller motor. They scale the motor back to a 1.6L DI Turbo that puts down 200HP and add a hybrid system that puts down an additional 100HP for a total of 300,and amazing gas mileage. Eventually,the V8 gets the same treatment putting down over 500HP combined with pretty decent mileage. Eventually as gasoline tips 20 dollars a gallon and 95% of vehicles sold go electric,they let it die a quiet dignified death and car bloggers run stories about the last Mustang driving off the assembly line. Fast cars are still available and car magazines sometimes run an article comparing the old gas burners to the new electric supercars that put the old gasoline powered cars to shame. Some people buy a restored gasoline car for nostalga or collectors value,but there were years and years of similar cars made. Ours are nothing special.

 

[GRABBER3.7L]

only time will tell folks!:yelpleased:

all I can say is the 2011-2012 body style imo will deff be sought after in the future..just look at the direction the 2013's took and for the 2015 models there suppose to loose there retro looks all together. Theres always those great years for certain vehicles and I do think in the apperance department the 2011/2012's will shine! Both the V6 and V8 use amazing powerplants as well, so that may also be a bonus!

Another helping factor is that alot of these stangs will get beat up, wrecked, stripped of there oem parts and riced out. The ones that are still close to original and maintain there mint condition with clean looks will do even better!:bigthumbsup

 

[mallen]

And to those that think a 1500hp super car is so crazy it will never happen,take a look at this!

SSC North America- Home of the Tuatara & Ultimate Aero

 

[forensicsteve]

Production numbers count to the extent that fewer made = fewer will remain, and supply/demand is one of many possible factors that makes something a collectible.