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I am basically choosing between Valentine or Passport. They seem to have the best reviews. I thought this might be a good accessory to have since one speeding ticket is basically all it will take to almost pay for itself.

Anybody had experience in either one or both? I live the nav link on the Passport, but Valentine seems to be the veteran in this game... I think? Please share your opinions. Are they really worth it? Is it really necessary. Can you like without it after living with it?

I don't really like having something that is hanging on my windshield, especially that power cord, but that seems to be the most effective way of mounting them. Are there alternatives to this? Are there battery powered ones that are just as effective? How effective is Valentine when using the hidden mount? Same?

You can also share your brush with the authorities, and how they react and say when they see you with radar detectors. Do they turn into merciless Judge Dreddoids?
 

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Anybody had experience in either one or both? I live the nav link on the Passport, but Valentine seems to be the veteran in this game... I think?
Passport/Escort has been around way longer than Valentine. I have the 8500 and it's great. Well, actually the cops have it right now because someone attempted to steal it out of my car and they are holding it for evidence. As a result of that, I got a ticket a few weeks ago. I told him they had my radar detector but that didn't get me off the hook.
 

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yea my cobra radar dector is my best mod.but it is geting old i may need to strart looking for a new one.let use know which one you chosse and how well it works.what do they say about the cobras where did you go to see the reviews just google radar reviews or what. thanks for any info i do like my cobra just for the record it has been a good one me no tickets ( nock on wood ).
 

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yea i also forgot to say i put mine on the dash get you one of those pads that are kinda stickey made for making things not slide arround.you just wet it if it looses it stickynes.they sale them every where for a couple dollars they work great i think mine looks good.the cords dont look to bad since our plug in is up kinda top.i dont know how it would look stuck on the winshild.i like it like mine on the dash.hope this helps.
 

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I have the Passport as well. I've been using the Passport for a long time. Very happy with it. Most reviews I've read on detectors have both the Passport and Valentine rated at the top. I don't think you would go wrong with either.

FYI - Michael Valentine designed the Valentine One. He used to work for Cincinnati Microwave. Cincinnati Microwave would be the company that makes the Escort/Passport.
 

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I don't really like having something that is hanging on my windshield, especially that power cord, but that seems to be the most effective way of mounting them. Are there alternatives to this?
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I have my detector mounted on the right hand side (towards the center) of the driver's side visor. I've hard wired the power cord to a accessory power source (power goes on/off when you turn the key to accessory) located in the overhead courtesy light console. Everything is up by the headliner out of the way. No power cord hanging down across your windshield. I don't like the power cord hanging down either. I've always hard wired my detectors like this.
 

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...where did you go to see the reviews just google radar reviews or what.
Yep, that's all I have done so far, just google [radar review detector] and Valentine and Passport always shows up on the top two. Some reviews are too obviously one sided. I don't know if the new GPS based feature of the Passport is really helpful and useful. It says it can remember previous locations (via GPS) where a cop was spotted before and warn you that you are going through that area, even though nothing is being detected at the moment. How helpful and practical is that? In my case, I would get warning everywhere because the cops are always moving to different spots. Also how effective are they if a cop is hiding under a hill? Can these detectors still detect that?
 

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yea the cops here are sneakey and every where they are reall bad here it sucks. how much do you have to spend to get a good one.so the cobra is not rated high did you see them i taught they where one of the best. guese not.just one more thing i need to strart saving for man these gt can make you go broke in a hurry haha.
 

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yea the cops here are sneakey and every where they are reall bad here it sucks. how much do you have to spend to get a good one.so the cobra is not rated high did you see them i taught they where one of the best. guese not.just one more thing i need to strart saving for man these gt can make you go broke in a hurry haha.
Passport is about $399
Valentine is $499
Used ones cheaper in eBay of course

versus

Speeding ticket in Fort Wayne Indiana minimum of $250 for 15mph over.
 

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i have both. I definately favor my valintine. Whats nice about the valintine is that you can do the dash mount display and it also will show you if radar is coming from the front, back, or sides. However, I have no complaints with my passport. Like I said though if it were my choice I'd go with the valintine. Also valintine will upgrade your system for you if you send it in.
 

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i have both. I definately favor my valintine. Whats nice about the valintine is that you can do the dash mount display and it also will show you if radar is coming from the front, back, or sides. However, I have no complaints with my passport. Like I said though if it were my choice I'd go with the valintine. Also valintine will upgrade your system for you if you send it in.
Thanks for that very helpful info. How many times can you recall it has saved you from a possible speeding ticket? I am talking about moments when you are really going fast, then off goes the audio warnings.

Just trying to see what it's worth is.
Do you think this encourages you to drive fast more often now?
 

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I was headed to New York from Ohio (I know it says i'm from el paso, tx but i lived in ohio before i went in the military...stationed or should i say stuck here)...anyway.... i was on the highway and was doing about 95 in a 65 and it went off and said it was ahead, naturally i slowed down....for a min a didn't see and thing and thought maybe something just happend to set it off...(by the way it tells you how many signals its picking up and the strength)....so i drove up a little more and sure enough there were two highway patrolmen siting there radaring both ways......definately has saved me several several times....trust me i put my life on this radar...i am a lead foot
 

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Passport 8500 for me. Mines mounted with the little visor clip. It's just left of the dome light module and clipped over the headliner. Electrically, it's hard wired into the power in the dome light module. When I click the unlock button I can hear the passport do it's power up self test chirps. There's nothing worse than getting stopped and having the officer see the thing sitting on the dash.

I use mine primarily to remind me to keep it under control. If the guy in front of me gets pinged, the Passport goes off and I can look down and see if I'm doomed or not. If it's laser, just pull over and take it like a big person! Lasers indicate range to the target and speed. At 1000 ft range, the laser illuminates about a 4 ft diameter spot. The disadvantage with laser is, it only works in the stationary mode. There is no moving laser....yet. The new Ka band and some K band radars are using a very sophisticated digital signal processing system (DSP) and are very fast to lock and do a great job with noise rejection of the returned signal. Time to lock on the newer radars is less than 1/4 second. Once it locks on to a target, it hangs on until passes. In the old days of analog processing (tracking filters etc) if you hit the brakes hard enough, you could get it to unlock and blank the display. One other thing to keep in mind, is the new units have a front and rear antenna. The DSP is able to process your speed as you approach the patrol car from the rear. If the patrol car is doing the legal limit of 75 (Idaho interstate limit) and you approach from the rear at 5 mph or more, it can discern that difference now. Technology, ain't it great??
 

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how well do those scramblers work? do they work on laser?
 

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I have my detector mounted on the right hand side (towards the center) of the driver's side visor. I've hard wired the power cord to a accessory power source (power goes on/off when you turn the key to accessory) located in the overhead courtesy light console. Everything is up by the headliner out of the way. No power cord hanging down across your windshield. I don't like the power cord hanging down either. I've always hard wired my detectors like this.
do you have it shooting through the dots around the top edge of the windshield? i have a cheap cobra, it works great, has like 5 bands, does frt, rear and sides. ive got it stuck with the suction cups and the cord hangs down to the plug socket, with the wires folded and tied, i moved it up 2" when i did the hood scoop, but i like the hard wire idea. i dont like the way it looks right now but, i can unhook real easy, like for using the sun visor, or remove it real easy, and use it in the truck. it has saved me plenty of tickets in a short time. i would like to have a real nice one though :so
 

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Passport 8500 is good i sell those @ my store for $299.99 The 9500i is supposed to be a bad mofo,but havent really got to play w/ it too much. i dont know too much about the valentine, also another to check out is the K-40 Electronics Calibre system, there is no detector to put on the dash, there are radar Diffusers on the front and rear and laser detectors as well, its a LOT more money for that system, but i have sold several @ $1595.00 at my shop. and they will pay for your speeding ticket for up to 3 years if you get popped. so long as your not drunk or in a school zone or whatever. Just my .02:bigthumbsup

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Yes, it's aimed through the dots on the glass. Radio (radar) signals are not attenuated by the coating. Laser will be. However, remember the spot of the laser beam is very small at less than full range. The laser can be aimed at your grill, headlight etc, and NEVER hit the sensor on the detector causing it to alert. To me, laser alert just means pull over soon. Your only hope of being alerted with laser is by optical scatter when it hits another car.

As far a scramblers, I have had the chance to work with a guy who came to my place of business (I have a test equipment calibration lab, we also cal law enforcement radars) and he wanted to see if his new radar scrambler worked. He turned it on and I was able to track him over 1/4 mile away and back, and the Kustom K band handheld I have never once broke lock. He was furious to say the least. He had bought 2 of them for his trucks at a cost of $350 each. This has been about 8 years or so ago. Laser jammers I have no experience with. Radar jammers you run into FCC violations, lasers are regulated by the FDA. The lasers used are in the Infrared spectrum of light. Most states have laws that can be applied as to the interference of an officer in the performance of his duties that can be applied if you decide to jam the laser. Each state will be different as will county and city code. The laser units I have tried (Kustom Siganls) use a lens system similar to a SLR camera, where the optics used to see the target (YOU!) are the same optics used to direct the actual laser beam. I do not do calibration work on lasers as the optical fixtures to do alignment are horrifically expensive and each manufacture has their own fixtures.
 

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Please share your opinions. Are they really worth it? Is it really necessary.
Are they necessary? Nope, just take a look at those white signs with black numbers on them which are along the side of the road every so often, put the needle of your speedometer at the same number the sign says and you are all set! :gringreen

Just keep in mind that just because you have a radar detector doesn't mean you won't get pulled over. Most of the State Troopers I know have their radar off 90% of the time and they only turn the radar on when it is too late (for you that is).
 

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do you have it shooting through the dots around the top edge of the windshield? ...
No, it's to the left of them.

... i have a cheap cobra, ...
My first detector was a Cobra.

... but i like the hard wire idea. ...
Like I mentioned I started hard wiring my detectors shortly after I started using them. I hated that wire hanging down the middle of the windshield. With it hard wired to an accessory power line I don't have to remember to unplug it or turn it off. I can just leave it hooked up. Start the car the detector comes on. From the outside you can't see the detector unless you bend down and look up at the visor. There no wire to give it away or any suction cup marks on the window.
 
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