Like you said there are better setups out there. But that is a good setup. I don't know why they through in a oil filter.
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Anyone have experience with the FRPP Power Upgrade Package for '05-'09 GTs? Appears to include CAI, tune, new mufflers and oil filter. I understand that there may be better combos available but I like the idea of not risking voiding my warranty, as well as the idea of using Ford parts. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
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I have the FRPP Performance package and tune in my 2008 GT 5 speed. There is a very noticeable improvement. And I love the sound. I have been driving with the windows down especially when there is a good sound reflection surface near by. Its not loud and in normal cruise there is no noticeable increase in the cabin. There is a change when your on it though. There was a drop in MPG if your like to get on it. But if you drive it like the Owners Manuel says. Taking it easy, the MPG is about the same. The other thing about the FRPP package is that it has a California Air Resources Board (CARB) EO number sticker so it will pass smog when that comes around. So you won't have to pull your parts off and re flash to pass the test later on. Plus it says Ford Racing on it and the open air box molds in very nicely and seals against the inside of the hood. Its the set up on the Bullit. Speaking of which... I so wish Ford would have set up the GT with many of the bullit drive train parts. I didn't buy a bullit because it was on a Premium trim model and I didn't want to pay for the leather seats and other expensive interior upgrades. Just the running gear thank you....Anyone have experience with the FRPP Power Upgrade Package for '05-'09 GTs? Appears to include CAI, tune, new mufflers and oil filter. I understand that there may be better combos available but I like the idea of not risking voiding my warranty, as well as the idea of using Ford parts. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
It's also standard on the Shelby GT. The CAI is the best looking one out there imho. Mine is an '07 so it has the 90mm one, but I think they might of changed it to 85mm now....don't quote me on that though.
It will certainly give you horsepower that you will feel. The mufflers were a little quiet for my taste, but it does have a good sound at WOT. Tune is slightly rich for safety.
It will certainly give you horsepower that you will feel. The mufflers were a little quiet for my taste, but it does have a good sound at WOT. Tune is slightly rich for safety.
85mm
There is a nice article on ford racing's web site about why they tune the way they do. It has a lot to do with longevity. They want you to get great service life from the car. Same for their other performance parts like the Hot Rod Cam.
Your correct, the new FRPP for the GT is 85mm. I am still trying to listen for that whooshing sound I have read about. The sound must be subtile.It's also standard on the Shelby GT. The CAI is the best looking one out there imho. Mine is an '07 so it has the 90mm one, but I think they might of changed it to 85mm now....don't quote me on that though.
It will certainly give you horsepower that you will feel. The mufflers were a little quiet for my taste, but it does have a good sound at WOT. Tune is slightly rich for safety.
There is a nice article on ford racing's web site about why they tune the way they do. It has a lot to do with longevity. They want you to get great service life from the car. Same for their other performance parts like the Hot Rod Cam.
This is the setup on the Shelby GT; why did the Shelby get hit with a $1000 gas guzzler tax? For about $3,000 in parts a GT can become a Shelby GT; a savings of about $10,000.
Are you talking about the Shelby GT or the GT 500?This is the setup on the Shelby GT; why did the Shelby get hit with a $1000 gas guzzler tax? For about $3,000 in parts a GT can become a Shelby GT; a savings of about $10,000.
For about $3,000 in parts a GT can become a Shelby GT; a savings of about $10,000.
Hardly. Average price for a loaded GT(which most SGT's are) is around $30,000. Adding $10,000 puts you at $40,000. Most SGT's sticker for around $37.
Add up all the parts AND labor costs and you'd be right around $37K.
Cusp,I have the FRPP Performance package and tune in my 2008 GT 5 speed. There is a very noticeable improvement. And I love the sound. I have been driving with the windows down especially when there is a good sound reflection surface near by. Its not loud and in normal cruise there is no noticeable increase in the cabin. There is a change when your on it though. There was a drop in MPG if your like to get on it. But if you drive it like the Owners Manuel says. Taking it easy, the MPG is about the same. The other thing about the FRPP package is that it has a California Air Resources Board (CARB) EO number sticker so it will pass smog when that comes around. So you won't have to pull your parts off and re flash to pass the test later on. Plus it says Ford Racing on it and the open air box molds in very nicely and seals against the inside of the hood. Its the set up on the Bullit. Speaking of which... I so wish Ford would have set up the GT with many of the bullit drive train parts. I didn't buy a bullit because it was on a Premium trim model and I didn't want to pay for the leather seats and other expensive interior upgrades. Just the running gear thank you....
Did you have your Power Package installed by a local area dealer?
I am looking into this upgrade and would like to know if I can have it done by Barber Ford, or did you buy it and install yourself?
First to have a warranty on the FRPP you need to have it installed by a Ford Racing Dealer, not just a Ford dealer. Also the warranty is only for 12/12,000 miles on the FRPP parts. You will not have a 3/36,000 factory warranty on them. Even though it is FRPP parts, Ford factory warranty conciders them third party. Just so you know. There are better setups for the money. Heck the FRPP CAI is just the filter. Most other CAIs eplace the inlet tube too.Anyone have experience with the FRPP Power Upgrade Package for '05-'09 GTs? Appears to include CAI, tune, new mufflers and oil filter. I understand that there may be better combos available but I like the idea of not risking voiding my warranty, as well as the idea of using Ford parts. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
I am talking about the Shelby GT.Are you talking about the Shelby GT or the GT 500?
I am not talking bling I'm talking go. One can get a 2009 GT with 18" wheels and 3.55 gears for less then 24K with incentives. Have the dealer install these parts and one has a full warranty.Hardly. Average price for a loaded GT(which most SGT's are) is around $30,000. Adding $10,000 puts you at $40,000. Most SGT's sticker for around $37.
Add up all the parts AND labor costs and you'd be right around $37K.
2005-07 MUSTANG GT POWER UPGRADE PACKAGE.
Ford Racing Performance Parts [M-2006-FR1*]
Suggested Retail $989.00
2005-2010 MUSTANG GT COUPE HANDLING PACK
Ford Racing Performance Parts [M-2005-FR3]
Suggested Retail $1,335.00.
2005-2009 MUSTANG GT SHORT THROW SHIFTER
Ford Racing Performance Parts [M-7210-T1]
Suggested Retail $289.00.
That is $2,623 in Ford Racing parts.
All parts are bolt in and it should not take the dealer more then 8 hours to install. So even at $100 an hour that is $3,463; now one has the go of a Shelby GT for $27,000. :happydance:
According to Ford the parts must be purchased from a Ford dealer authorized to sell Ford Racing parts. Any Ford or Lincoln/Mercury dealer can install them.First to have a warranty on the FRPP you need to have it installed by a Ford Racing Dealer, not just a Ford dealer. Also the warranty is only for 12/12,000 miles on the FRPP parts. You will not have a 3/36,000 factory warranty on them. Even though it is FRPP parts, Ford factory warranty conciders them third party. Just so you know. There are better setups for the money. Heck the FRPP CAI is just the filter. Most other CAIs eplace the inlet tube too.
You are correct the parts are only warranted for 12/12,000 unless they are installed at the time the car is purchased then there is a full factory warranty on all parts.
The Ford Racing CAI is a 90 MM filter and tuner; factory 3.55 gears and manual trans are required.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/images/part/full/M-2005-FR1.jpg
Mustang Packs (and Select Parts if installed separately) Ford Racing Limited Warranty, when purchased from an Authorized Ford Racing Dealer and Ford, Lincoln or Mercury Dealer Installed 3-Year/36,000-Mile Limited Warranty Coverage/Eligibility: Ford Racing warrants the subject parts for 3 years/36,000 miles (whichever comes first) when purchased from an Authorized Ford Racing Dealer and install by a Ford, Lincoln or Mercury Dealer on a new vehicle at the time of vehicle sale, or 12 months/12,000 miles (whichever occurs first) when installed after the date of vehicle sale but prior to the expiration of the 3-year /36,000-mile coverage (whichever occurs first) under the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Perhaps with cloth and roll down windows, etc. Compare apples to apples. There are Shelby GT's that were available with cloth and they were signifigantly lower as well. You could get one of those for close to $30.I am not talking bling I'm talking go. One can get a 2009 GT with 18" wheels and 3.55 gears for less then 24K with incentives. Have the dealer install these parts and one has a full warranty.
Even so, there is much to be said for having SAI put the parts on the car and badge it as so. It will retain it's value better. Also the warranty is for 3/36 or 5/60 with the extended warranty. I stand behind the claim that you can't do all this and really save any money.
I'm not talking bling or go. I'm talking what the car is worth.
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It shouldn't have. It's just a GT with some Shelby inspired parts. Unless it was mistaken for the GT 500I am talking about the Shelby GT.
It shouldn't have. It's just a GT with some Shelby inspired parts. Unless it was mistaken for the GT 500
He is correct. The Shelby GT did get the gas guzzler tax. It's a scam.
All in all though it still not a bad deal. I paid $37 for mine loaded and most loaded GT's at that time were $30K. When you consider all the FRPP parts, shifter, striping, badging, labor, wheels, etc and the fact that everything is covered under the Ford factory and extended warranty, you wouldn't come out much ahead have the parts added to a regular GT.
I have a fully loaded 2006 Mustang GT with mods.Hardly. Average price for a loaded GT(which most SGT's are) is around $30,000. Adding $10,000 puts you at $40,000. Most SGT's sticker for around $37.
Add up all the parts AND labor costs and you'd be right around $37K.
Here's what I paid...
FRPP Stingers = $400 to $500? Easy, free install you can do youself.
CAI and Tune = $600. Installation is zero. Very easy.
Gears, Parts and Install = $800. My local Ford dealer did this one.
That's $1,400. I was also able to get 3.73 gears for my auto instead of the 3.55 gears in the Shelby GT. I received a tune from Bamachips, much more aggressive than a factory tune, plus I now have an SCT tuner, instead of no tuner at all. (Very useful tune!) The Stingers have a more aggressive exhaust note than the GTA on the Shelby GT...not necessary for performance, though.
The FRPP X-pipe is $100, I think? There isn't much performance gain (some report losing low end torque), so I haven't looked into doing that. An exhaust shop should be able to weld it in expensively.
I was able to find the FRPP suspension kit (springs, shocks, sway bars) for $1,200 online plus shipping. That's $3,100 in parts so far plus the cost of the FRPP installation.
Let's say it costs $1000 to install the FRPP suspension. I think that's a fair overestimate. That's only around $4k.
You're still $3k cheaper than a Shelby GT. You can use the remainder of the money for 255 series summer tires, new lower control arms and the FRPP brake bads if you like.
I can understand why someone would get the Shelby GT. If you're worried about warranty and don't want to mess with installation, then that's the way to go.
My 3 year warranty expired with about 12,000 miles on the car. I didn't really consider warranty when modding the car, since it's only for the weekends.
Anyway, I think both approaches have merit.
It's because of the gears.This is the setup on the Shelby GT; why did the Shelby get hit with a $1000 gas guzzler tax? For about $3,000 in parts a GT can become a Shelby GT; a savings of about $10,000.
FRPP recommends 4.10:1 gears for a manual and 3.73:1 gears for an auto. The Shelby GT has 3.73:1 manual and 3.55:1 for an atuo.
I don't know for certain, but I think Ford was forced to compromise on the gears in order to improve fuel economy. I'm sure CAFE influenced their decision. Too bad they weren't able to avoid the gas guzzler tax.
It's because of the gears.
FRPP recommends 4.10:1 gears for a manual and 3.73:1 gears for an auto. The Shelby GT has 3.73:1 manual and 3.55:1 for an atuo.
I don't know for certain, but I think Ford was forced to compromise on the gears in order to improve fuel economy. I'm sure CAFE influenced their decision. Too bad they weren't able to avoid the gas guzzler tax.
They both came with 3:55. I think the main reason for the gas tax is due to the exhaust modifications. It really was a scam because mine got 18mpg city/ 28mpg right off the showroom floor. Actually a little better than a GT off the showroom floor.
You're right they both do have their merits, but I think it's fair to say when these cars came out that it would take a serious gearhead much research/calibration and time to do all the mods that Shelby did and drive away worry free.
Same goes for any of the non base GT additions out there. Heck you can argue that getting a V6 and slapping on a blower is a better deal. REally easy to wash anything out.
In 2007 the GT had EPA MPG of 17/25 and the Shelby GT 16/23 that was enough to put it in the gas guzzler tax area. I just looked at the pictures I took when I was thinking about buying one. The GT 500 had a $1700 guzzler tax I believe.It shouldn't have. It's just a GT with some Shelby inspired parts. Unless it was mistaken for the GT 500
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