Don't sweat it, but yeah, the pictures have been in several threads here. It's been months, though. They're probably buried in the 2005+ forum by now. The only finger pointing should be at AFM as a whole, since we didn't really get a 2010 sub-forum until fairly recently, and we're months behind other forums on the Ecoboost and Coyote discussions.
Both engines are Ford official. The 5.0L is official for the Mustang, with the Ecoboost a strong option (if it's going in Lincolns, the Flex, and the Taurus, why wouldn't it make it to the 'Stang?)
The only real debate now is whether the Coyote will have 400 HP or more like 375 HP. We could start the discussion there. No use in spinning our wheels on an engine that IS coming in 2011 :shiny:
We must've summoned something, because a Ford rep at another forum posted this up last night:I'm still questioning the CAFE numbers for the 400+hp Coyote, which are the real jokers in the deck. Perhaps you are right, they may have to detune it to squeeze out some more gas mileage, which would be a shame. I am confident that some version of the Coyote will end up in the F150 line (trucks get some extra room to maneuver with CAFE), and of course the Aussies will put it in their Falcons, but there is still doubt about the Mustang application.
My background is as an industrial engineer (ergo, I know a little something about how to build cars, but a LOT about how to build the factories that build cars). I am going to poke around and see what the AIA plant's owners (Mazda) are doing with their half of the factory. If it were my project, I would already be setting up the Mazda line for any new drivetrains coming down the pike - their concerns with CAFE are a lot less than Ford's, of course. If the Eco-Boost is as good as we all hope it is, Mazda might be planning to use them in their cars.
Yeah, looking ahead & CAFE certainly makes things interesting. There's no question that the Camaro has driven this huge horsepower leap. To a certain extent, their minds must be on besting the Camaro (even though the 2010 does that in 75% of the tests already). The Mustang has the engine tech and overall curb weight going for it, so hopefully it's not a huge hit to the fleet. Several questions have come up over and over again:
1. You mentioned model assignments. Will the base GT get the Coyote? From last night's info (above) it appears yes, but this could still be a question. A special edition with a hi-po 5.0L has been mentioned, which has spawned the base 375HP/400HP speculation.
2. Will the Ecoboost be a GT option or a special edition like SVO? I tend to think TT 3.5 in an SE for Mustang. Either way, it's a great engine that the company feels comfortable enough about to drop into many different models.
3. Will the Coyote be direct injection? Everyone now says no, possibly a year after initial release. That would only help the fuel economy.
Check out these articles for a take on the Ecoboost in the Lincolns and the Flex, particularly the first one:
Jalopnik - EcoBoost Goes Drag: Ford Flex, Lincoln MKS Hit The Strip - Lincoln MKS EcoBoost
Jalopnik - 2010 Lincoln MKT EcoBoost: First Drive - Lincoln MKT
A 4,500 lb. Lincoln can turn a 13.9 at the hands of an amateur. In the Mustang this will be killer. I'm not even sure the Coyote would keep up. Certainly not once the tuners get their hands on the TT 3.5.
You're right, the small cars will help out a great deal with fuel economy and profitability if they're as fun to drive as the Euro versions. The Ecoboost line should add a turbo 4 cylinder in the future if the rumors prove true.
The Fusion hybrid is pretty amazing for what it allows a person to get in that segment. If someone was forcing me into a hybrid, I'd have a real alternative to a Prius driving appliance. Interesting, I hadn't heard about the Mazda diesel plans, but it's worth a try - if people can get it through their heads to try one. At least the price of diesel is finally back to reasonable levels.
Ford is currently trying to do some damage control regarding this info. I guess it could have a detrimental effect on the 2010 sales :shigrin.We must've summoned something, because a Ford rep at another forum posted this up last night:
"As Per Ford Parts Division Info.
Listed as Specific 2011 Mustang Powertrains. I have Part Numbers and All Specific Engine Component part Numbers. Most are Mustang Specific Part Numbers. They are Different Components than Listed for Milan Zepher Etc.
3.7 Litre V6 4v Auto & Standard Trans Listings
5.0 L 4V Standard & Auto Trans Listings.
5.4L 4V Supercharged Listing."