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I was starting the trip back up to my cabin, which is a smooth mountain road that climbs about 800 vertical feet in 2 miles, 25mph posted, and no passing zones. I'm at the bottom and a guy in a Pontiac G8 gets in front of me. I'm thinking "oh well, another 25mph trip up" and relax into that scenario, and give him plenty of room.

The first turn is a hairpin that you have to look out the side window to negotiate. I take it at a comfortable speed and find his rear bumper. I'm like '****, what a dufus this guy is'. Then he gets on the gas and up to 35mph, then 40. I give him plenty of room, enjoying my radar screen in front.

Apparently I'm an annoyance and he accelerates.

We get to a straight section about halfway up and he punches it to about 50. I let him go but keep an eye on him. I give him about 100 yards then match his speed.

When the road turns curvy again he starts to flog it, trying to maintain 50 around the turns. My windows are down and I can hear his tires squealing. I have to let off on the gas to keep from catching up, and try to maintain a good distance. I'm waiting for The Turn.

The Turn is a sharp 90 degree that should be taken at 20mph or so. Its where the road used to end before it was extended.

G8 is on the brake entering The Turn and I'm in third setting the car up for it. I get on the gas and get through it, and once more his rear bumper is a car length in front of me.

G8 is no match for my V6 with a GT suspension. :D
 

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I raced through curves on a public road against a family sedan with a V6 smaller than mine and feel like my car can "handle"
Sounds like a smart idea
 

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...a family sedan with a V6 smaller than mine...
Apparently it wasn't power that he was lacking, but skill:
...for their money drivers will get one of the best-handling large sedans on the road. ... The base G8 comes with a 256-hp, 3.6-liter V-6
A smart idea is doing some research before commenting. :)
 

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You do realize your V6 is a 4.0L right?
You do realize even with an extra "40" hp, that car weighs 700 lbs. more than you?
You do realize a review saying it's "one of the best-handling sedans" doesn't mean it's anywhere close to the best.
You still raced against a family car on a one lane street with curves. A STOCK family sedan that was NEVER made to handle like a sport model.
A smart idea is not racing your stock V6 on the street trying to pretend you're some experienced track-racer "setting up for turns"
You take a turn at a "comfortable speed" and you're on his ass? Yea sounds like you were just speeding. Ofcourse you were an annoyance, you were taking a turn too fast and immediately found yourself tail-gating someone like a jackass.
But I'm sure you taught him a lesson. How dare he not drive the exact same as you in a completely different car.
More fast and bicurious nonsense
 

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He would rape you on the straights....and that's what kill stories is all about.
 

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You do realize your V6 is a 4.0L right?
You do realize even with an extra "40" hp, that car weighs 700 lbs. more than you?
You do realize a review saying it's "one of the best-handling sedans" doesn't mean it's anywhere close to the best.
You still raced against a family car on a one lane street with curves. A STOCK family sedan that was NEVER made to handle like a sport model.
A smart idea is not racing your stock V6 on the street trying to pretend you're some experienced track-racer "setting up for turns"
You take a turn at a "comfortable speed" and you're on his ass? Yea sounds like you were just speeding. Ofcourse you were an annoyance, you were taking a turn too fast and immediately found yourself tail-gating someone like a jackass.
But I'm sure you taught him a lesson. How dare he not drive the exact same as you in a completely different car.
More fast and bicurious nonsense
Its not a street but a mountain road, and I am a trained and experienced track racer and know very well how to "set up for turns". :)
 

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He would rape you on the straights....and that's what kill stories is all about.
If you're a straight-line kind of guy, which I ain't. Its much more fun and practical to set up a car for handling then straight-line acceleration. There are literally thousands of miles of twisting roads in my region where the speed limit is 55 but the suggested speed is much lower, and you can legally push your car to the limit.
 

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and yet instead of a decent suspension setup you just swap take-off parts from a GT? Yea OK bub, that's real logical and everything

It is a street, for public use, and once again you ignore all my logical points. "Thousands of miles" ROFL So there's at least half the distance from east to west coast of roads in North Carolina? Man I wish I was as smart as you. Oh wait-

I'm SURE you're REALLY good at "track" racing with your stock V6 with an engine you don't even know the displacement of lol. Protip Mr. Proracer: adjustable coilovers are infinitely better than a simple swap of cheap parts.
 

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o how surprising another rant by bashthe3rd do yourself a favor yadkin and dont feed the troll. what kind of racing do you do? have you ever road on the tail of the dragon im sure bash has seen anything like that in texas.
 

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o how surprising another rant by bashthe3rd do yourself a favor yadkin and dont feed the troll. what kind of racing do you do? have you ever road on the tail of the dragon im sure bash has seen anything like that in texas.
rode* but I don't expect you to have much of a spelling ability.
But yes I have seen my fair share of automotive sports.
I love how your post addresses nothing in this thread other than the fact that I've posted in it.
Go on, make a relevant post. Say anything the OP did was smart. Your lack of content in your post is just SCREAMING that you agree with him, certainly not that you're just unwilling to admit you agree with my view on this.
 

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and yet instead of a decent suspension setup you just swap take-off parts from a GT? Yea OK bub, that's real logical and everything

It is a street, for public use, and once again you ignore all my logical points. "Thousands of miles" ROFL So there's at least half the distance from east to west coast of roads in North Carolina? Man I wish I was as smart as you. Oh wait-

I'm SURE you're REALLY good at "track" racing with your stock V6 with an engine you don't even know the displacement of lol. Protip Mr. Proracer: adjustable coilovers are infinitely better than a simple swap of cheap parts.

Dude, you need to calm down.

First of all there is 1723 miles of state and federal roads in North Carolina. That does not include local and county roads, I couldn't find data for that. Easy to say thousands of miles and not be incorrect.

The G8 V6 does 0-60 in 6.9 seconds and runs the 1/4 mile in 15.3 at 93 mph.

As for handling, the V6 and the GT have the same suspension, so with a lighter motor up front the V6 outhandles the GT and gives the GXP a run for it's money. Speed through the slalom was 63.9.

For comparison sake, the same magazine tested a 2005 Mustang V6 and this is what they got. 0-60 in 6.6 and a 15.3 1/4 mile at 93.

Speed through the slalom was 62.1 and it had less g's in cornering.

I'd say with the upgrades Yadkin has done he is probably a good race for the G8 with equal drivers, which obviously there wasn't. Also the Gt suspension set up is a great bang for the buck project.

Oh the G8 V6 is only 500 lbs heavier too. They have almost the exact same weight to horsepower ratio.

Now let's discuss this street racing thing you brought up. With the lack of knowledge you just displayed, I hope you don't street race Vash. You'll hurt yourself and others too Dude. You are way too cocky for your own good.
 

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o how surprising another rant by bashthe3rd do yourself a favor yadkin and dont feed the troll. what kind of racing do you do? have you ever road on the tail of the dragon im sure bash has seen anything like that in texas.
Dude, you need to calm down.

First of all there is 1723 miles of state and federal roads in North Carolina. That does not include local and county roads, I couldn't find data for that. Easy to say thousands of miles and not be incorrect.

The G8 V6 does 0-60 in 6.9 seconds and runs the 1/4 mile in 15.3 at 93 mph.

As for handling, the V6 and the GT have the same suspension, so with a lighter motor up front the V6 outhandles the GT and gives the GXP a run for it's money. Speed through the slalom was 63.9.

For comparison sake, the same magazine tested a 2005 Mustang V6 and this is what they got. 0-60 in 6.6 and a 15.3 1/4 mile at 93.

Speed through the slalom was 62.1 and it had less g's in cornering.

I'd say with the upgrades Yadkin has done he is probably a good race for the G8 with equal drivers, which obviously there wasn't. Also the Gt suspension set up is a great bang for the buck project.

Oh the G8 V6 is only 500 lbs heavier too. They have almost the exact same weight to horsepower ratio.

Now let's discuss this street racing thing you brought up. With the lack of knowledge you just displayed, I hope you don't street race Vash. You'll hurt yourself and others too Dude. You are way too cocky for your own good.
So vashthe3rd is one of those guys who thinks by belittling others he's making himself bigger. We've all know his type and enjoy avoiding when possible and busting his balls when not.

I've done a couple of performance driving clinics in the late 80's at Watkins Glen. Back then I had an 85 Tbird, which was the same Fox chassis as the Mustang but about 4” longer and a more practical trunk. I had it set up with the factory “trailer tow package”, which to very few folks, including the salesman who I ordered the car from, knew that included the suspension from a Mustang GT. I also ordered the 5.0 V8 and traction-lok, but the factory set it up for low end torque, not high end horsepower. The 4 speed auto was the only available transmission. Although I really wanted a stick shift I was pleasantly surprised with the drivability of the automatic. It was full lock-up in all gears and had predictable shift points. Other than that the car was stripped as it was my first new one and I was just starting my career and a marriage. So the car was practical yet had potential.

After a few years into my career my boss, who turned into a good friend and mentor, got me interested in the driving school. His brother had a ZR1 Corvette and the three of us did it together. About a year earlier I had upgraded my wheels and tires to 235 60 series and had been experimenting with camber set-ups and different tire inflations. I hauled a small trailer with tools and camping gear for the three of us and we met at the track. My boss actually rented a car, I think it was a FWD Taurus, for the weekend and drove that at the track.

It was an interesting weekend. They broke us into two groups- FWD and RWD, and started a classroom instruction. There was a real interesting mix of people there as well. There were guys with Mustang GTs, some guys with Vetts, some Porsches including 911’s, lots of FWD cars like VW Golfs or GTIs or whatever they were back then, one late 60’s Dodge muscle car with big back tires, modified Honda Civics, and a handful of very expensive stuff including two Ferraris and other stuff that I didn’t recognize at all.

After the class they did a gear check. Everyone had to empty their trunks and interiors, then they did a basic inspection along with checking the lug nut torques. My car was they only car that passed. Every other one had to have their lug nuts tightened.

Then they put us on track with an instructor in 15 second intervals. The rule was not to pass unless the guy in front waved you by. After two warm-up laps to get familiar with the track I passed two or three cars. If you’re familiar with Watkins Glen, after the start/ finish line there is a 90 degree right turn followed by a downhill section with a gentle S turn, then the long back straight. You break hard for the 90 then floor it, and in my car just barely let off on the gas during the S turns, then you’re on the gas the whole way until the hard 90 at the end of the straightway. That’s the most critical turn in the course because you have to brake hard after reaching your top speed and set-up properly to maximize momentum at the end of the turn, because you’re about to enter the twisty part of the track which is also uphill.

After a few laps I’m half way down the back straight and see a little dot in my rear view mirror that very quickly gets very large and turns into one of the Ferraris. I negotiate the turn at the end and then lose him in the twisties. I wave him on at the start/ finish straightaway and he rockets past me. I actually gain on him in the 90 and keep up with him in the S turns. At the start of the straight he disappears, but then I catch him again in the twisties, almost ran into him as a matter of fact coming through the tight hairpin. My in-car instructor told me to slow down and give him room because Mr. Ferrari obviously doesn’t know how to drive. After a lap of losing him in every straight then finding him again on every tight turn that session was over and I pulled off the track.

I learned a lot that weekend and then more the subsequent year but the lesson I enjoyed the most was that guys who spend a lot of money don’t necessarily know anything about cars and driving.
 

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Point or order: "my region" includes portions of several states, not just NC. There are thousands of miles of roads in Tennessee, Virginia, and (gasp) West Virginia that I frequent to reach destinations for business and pleasure. :bigthumbsup
 

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gives the GXP a run for it's money.
The G8 GXP is the 415hp ls3 version of the G8. It would annihilate a v6 Mustang in every way.
 

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The G8 GXP is the 415hp ls3 version of the G8. It would annihilate a v6 Mustang in every way.
HP does not equate to handling. Pick your battles carefully. :smartass:
 

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Your right bash the only reason i posted was because of you trying to belittle someone else once again. Also the tail of the dragon is not a sport track its a public road with 318 turns in 11 miles of road in NC/TN on there so i was getting to him saying about driving on winding roads which i know texas isnt famous for look it up on youtube they got some good videos. Also mr. spell check ofcourse is two words so don't knit pick:)
 

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HP does not equate to handling. Pick your battles carefully. :smartass:
The car you went up against was the v6 G8.

The GXP is a beast of a car. With a 0-60 of 4.5 seconds, a 1/4 mile in 13.0 at 108, and a skidpad of .90 g's (beats the 2005-09 Mustang GT with .87), that car does not screw around.

Granted, anyone I've ever seen in a V6 G8 drive like idiots. So you're probably right. But if you see a G8 GXP at the track, don't go picking a fight, cause you will get destroyed, straight line or curves.
 

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... the tail of the dragon is not a sport track its a public road with 318 turns in 11 miles of road in NC/TN...
Haven't been there in my Mustang- yet.
 

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I was starting the trip back up to my cabin, which is a smooth mountain road that climbs about 800 vertical feet in 2 miles, 25mph posted, and no passing zones. I'm at the bottom and a guy in a Pontiac G8 gets in front of me. I'm thinking "oh well, another 25mph trip up" and relax into that scenario, and give him plenty of room.

The first turn is a hairpin that you have to look out the side window to negotiate. I take it at a comfortable speed and find his rear bumper. I'm like '****, what a dufus this guy is'. Then he gets on the gas and up to 35mph, then 40. I give him plenty of room, enjoying my radar screen in front.

Apparently I'm an annoyance and he accelerates.

We get to a straight section about halfway up and he punches it to about 50. I let him go but keep an eye on him. I give him about 100 yards then match his speed.

Maybe the guy was tired of finding you right up on his ass after every turn and kept speeding up to put some distance between him and you. Most people don't enjoy looking back and seeing someone else's front bumper filling their rearview mirror.
 

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Dude did you read the story? After one turn he sped up to 15 over the posted speed limit, and I gave him plenty of room. Then he sped up to 25 over. I didn't get on his bumper again until the last turn that he completely flogged.

Guys that get on my bumper I either ignore or wave on, then, if the mood suits me I use as a radar shield. That requires, as I mentioned, giving them plenty of room.

Racing a guy bumper to bumper can get you into a high price ticket at best, and with a guy like this who doesn't know how to drive, an accident.
 
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