[kscoyote]

Pics of that car have been floating around the net as long as pics of the S197 have. And if memory serves me correctly the project was scrapped for the GTO instead.

no, that's a slightly different one, looks like it's based on the Solstice from the platform. A lot shorter than the other pics.

But it looks photochopped.

 

[kscoyote]

Maybe somebody out there can confirm this bit of information... I remember reading ( a while back) that Chevy cannot use the Camaro name again for a while. If I recall, Canada made a deal with Chevy to make the Camaro's at a Canada factory from now on, and in turn, Canada subsidized the factory build by over 10 million dollars. Since the last Camaro rolled off the line, Chevy shorly after bulldozed the factory and turned it into brownfield.

yeah, that's true . .. money has a way of smoothing things over, though . ..

 

[kscoyote]

I think she looks fine.
But as already mentioned, the project for a Chevy Camaro has been scrapped by GM.
It seems that only Dodge stands in the fight of the retro' looking muscle car with the new Challenger, against Ford...

No, it hasn't been scrapped . . . there are several platforms they're doing cost/unit studies on, right now.

No one at GM thought the Mustang would be as popular as it is, and it's made them rethink their decision on the Camaro - Same with the "Charger" now being morphed into a Challenger.

 

[kscoyote]

Are you sure it's still going on ? I recall reading a couple of articles somewhere (I doubt I could find them again now...) confirming that the Camaro was a no go...

AutoWeek seems to be the best source on these things, and they reported that Camaro got a kickstart late this summer, after GM reviewed Mustang sales.

 

[kscoyote]

I'd seen a different camaro concept drawing a few months ago- cant remember where, but was a newspaper clip for an auto show or something- it looked WAY mor like a 69 except the grille was flat/painted on looking, and without the recess, looked kinda silly.

about the same time saw a drawing for a new little Nomad- it looked sweet, and appeared small enough to get great mileage while still carrying the family...time will tell.

The nomad was also based on the solstice platform. Sort of a Mini Cooper fighter.

 

[kscoyote]

as usual, ANYTHING that GM kills and then re-births sucks.

Examples:

1. Impala - even with the new V8, still doesnt deserve nameplate
2. Monte Carlo - all 3 times it was "reborn" - sucks (original sucked too)
3. GTO - 400 hp!!, great idea in the beginning - along the line GM fvcked it up by shoving the engine in a Grand Am:sterb: :sterb: :sterb: :sterb:

4. Camaro... it'll suck. you can count on it, its GM

and whats this HHR p.o.s?? (Heritage Hot Rod??) im still trying to figure out what the hell that thing is supposed to resemble from GM's past.... looks more Chryslers past, i think GM liked the PT Cruiser and hit the Zerox button....

Bottom Line: Ford is the only one with a clue on a retro muscle car. Dodge is trying, ill give them that, the Hemi is cool, the Magnum is even OK, but a 4 door Charger????? Must have been the same designer who worked out the GTOs body lines....:sterb: :sterb: :sterb: :sterb:

now the challenger concept is a different story... they build that... ill change my tune....:tongue

Weelll, Bob Lutz is in charge of product, (from chrysler, ie Viper, Prowler, Cruiser, the 1999 Charger [which was awesome!!!]etc.) so some chrysler concepts coming to GM is no surprise.

Their new stuff is pretty da**ed good. Solstice is good, with the SC it should be great, the new G6 GTP is pretty good for a FWD car, and some of the concepts . . .

If GM can make it through the Procter and Gamble designs of the 90s, there's some cool stuff in the pipeline . ..

 

[kscoyote]

oh i would bash it.. along with some ford designers head for fvcking up the mustang and be glad that i bought the last good model. as good as ford did with the new stang i worry about where it will go from here. how do you re-design a car that you have retro'd. is ford going to just re-live the the past all over again with new retros of older cars. i dang sure hope we dont see a new retro'd mustang II in the years to come. with the epa's mandated zero emisssions law scheduled to take effect in 2010 it sounds like the muscle car will surely die along with v8s and any kind of power in a vehicle. gm has done the most extensive designing of new powertrains of any automaker and they have said it is physically impossible with anything bigger than 4 cylinders on a gasoline engine. i think there is a very good possibility with that law coming in 2010, gas prices, the fact that the stang almost got killed a few years back due to low sales, and the economy in general, that the s197 will be the last mustang. i think ford knows it will die and they have decided to let it go out with one hell of a bang. that explains all the new model offerings in the works that have not been available for decades such as the gt500, gt350, and the boss. that is one reason i wanted a new one, i fear the end is near.

and gm didnt answer ford with the Z06. the vette contends with the euros now (hence the new euro front end) gm doesnt compete that car with the mustang or any other american car cept the viper (which i believe is still kicking the vettes a$$) its no comparison. even the base vette is dbl the price of a gt. look in motortrend, car and driver, autoweek, or any other mag like those. you'll see the vette compared to bmw, porshe, ferrari and the like. until gm has a car of equal price and performance to the mustang, they havent answered a dang thing.:sterb:

making the Mustang a zero emission car isn't that difficult, there's already a plan in place.

FTM, the new 3.5L v6 is 300hp capable, hybrid capable, and is SULEV, with no-lev a possibility.

I wouldn't worry about the future.

 

[kscoyote]

V6?? Hybrid?? SULEV with no-lev possibility?? will it get 50 mile per gallon too?? no V8?? it'll pass a gas station?? oooohhh god nooo!!!! weep... weep... weep... they're gonna make another Mustang II!!! :sadcry: :sadcry: :sadcry: :sadcry:

why ford??!! why the mustang??!! take the $150,000 GT instead... no one can afford it anyway!! i just dont understand .... :sadcry: :sadcry: :sadcry: :sadcry:

damn EPA!!:madas:

There will be a V8 mustang, that will pass SULEV. It's NOT THAT DIFFICULT. If nothing else, it'll probably be a flex-fuel vehicle like the Stallion, as Ethanol has lower emissions than gasoline.

but there will probably be other options, as well.

P.S. If it weren't for the EPA, there'd be NO 4.6L 300 hp car. the EPA pushed Ford into fuel injection, and the Mustang has been tops ever since.

the 5.0L was down by 50 cubic inches, the 4.6L by more than 1L to the 350 Chevy. WITH fuel injection, and the EPA mandates, the 5.0L was FASTER, LIGHTER and got better GAS MILEAGE.

the Corvette until 2003 got BETTER gas mileage than a HONDA ACCORD.

The EPA doesn't kill performance. Better efficiency = Better PERFORMANCE.

All Hot Rodding is, is making MORE power out of any given engine, All that is, is Better Effiency.

 

[kscoyote]

here some other links to the maro . i dunno though some say 2007 other say 2009 .

http://community.webshots.com/album/518973697aeGssB

http://www.arkansascamaro.com/2007camaro.html

from what i heard n the first link that is a clay model .

does look like it's coming back .

The bottom one was a MT mock up.