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when it gets so frustrating that you can't stand it any longer; or when the time comes to get that minivan or SUV (new family member coming?)
I'm at the point where I can't stand it anymore. I'm tired of putting money into a depreciating asset. An S197 GT will never rise up in value so I'm getting ready to get rid of mine very soon and get a C5 Z06 probably. New cars have gotten ridiculously expensive so I want a used car where the depreciation has pretty much leveled off.

OP don't go back to the shop that charged you $700 for brakes again...
 

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Thanks for the input, all. I believe we may have gotten a dud, but I have to track down all my maintenance records to see what was done and what was normal.
 

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You definitely need to stop going to whatever shop charged you all that money to do those suspension and brake jobs. You have been bent over and highway robbed.
 

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Stang2010: have you replaced the rear stabilizer bar links. If you still have a clunk noise in the rear suspension going over ruts and bumps hese dog-bone looking links are often the culprit.
I believe that's been done at least once. Still trying to track down every maintenance record.

when it gets so frustrating that you can't stand it any longer; or when the time comes to get that minivan or SUV (new family member coming?)

a new car will almost never cost less than an existing car, even when the old one needs a lot of maintenance . . . how much maintenance can you do for $500/month? (answer: a lot)

us parents love our red-headed-step-children just the same, but yeah someone else might think twice about adopting them, LOL . . . my point, same as yours, is: it is probably worth a lot more to keep and drive, than to sell
Getting married this year, and kids will likely follow relatively soon thereafter and it's very difficult to put a baby in a carseat in the back of a Mustang...so I'm trying to decide whether to hold on to it until that point, or just replace it now.

^ ^ ^ I went through that thinking when I bought my 2010 . . . . the only reason I didn't buy a 2011 at that time, was that it would have cost about $8-10K more . . . I assume the price difference is much less now so there would be no major reason not to get the later model year with the Coyote engine

but I'd go for a 2012 instead of 2014, because I don't like the catfish face of the 2013-2014 cars . . . but that's just me! :)
I'm with you, I hate what they did with the front of the refreshed cars. I also didn't care for the black trunk lid, though the taillight change wasn't bad.

OP don't go back to the shop that charged you $700 for brakes again...
Did I get ripped off? I went to a dealer and an independent shop. Both told me the back right brake was not doing anything, and the original rotors needed replacing on a 160,000 mile car. The dealer wanted $1400, the independent shop did it for $700. Could I have gotten all the rotors and pads replaced for less?

You definitely need to stop going to whatever shop charged you all that money to do those suspension and brake jobs. You have been bent over and highway robbed.
Three separate dealers and one independent shop all recommended different suspension work.
 

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I had my entire rear end re-done for 600 ish, Control arms upper and lower, panhard, and then the axle itself, All bearings, Seals, fluids, Posi rebuilt, and an aluminum driveshaft installed(i supplied it).

I provided the driveshaft, and the control arms, so the 600 was labor and bearings and seals and fluids, and the rebuild kit for the posi.
 

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^ ^ ^ I went through that thinking when I bought my 2010 . . . . the only reason I didn't buy a 2011 at that time, was that it would have cost about $8-10K more . . . I assume the price difference is much less now so there would be no major reason not to get the later model year with the Coyote engine

but I'd go for a 2012 instead of 2014, because I don't like the catfish face of the 2013-2014 cars . . . but that's just me! :)
I ended up getting a great deal on a 2012 V6 so I bought it and will probably only keep it for a year or two until we have a baby. But I have to say I was a bit underwhelmed by the new V6 engine. The 2010 seems to have more torque off the line, while the 2012 takes a couple seconds to really kick in. So on a back road they're relatively comparable. Passing on a highway is where the new V6 has a clear advantage.

All that is not to say the new V6 isn't superior, but it hasn't been the revolutionary experience I was expecting.

I'm going to keep the 2010 for now and I'm still trying to get all the maintenance records from the dealers to calculate how much I spent on suspension work and figure out if I got a lemon.
 

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The 2011 V6 is not the Coyote engine; the Coyote is the new 5.0 liter V8

But still, the 2011 V6 should be a big improvement over the 2010 V6, it is a whole new engine making over 300 HP while the previous version was something like 225
 

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Stang: If you are looking at a family down the road, the 2 door is not too infant or car seat friendly when it comes to getting the children in and out. From your post I get the hint you already know that and I assume will be looking for a 4-door at that time.

I usually do not jump brands but the 2015 and up Charger is a good family sedan in the 3.6L version because it gets decent fuel economy, has plenty of room, and decent power for a family car. It would be fantastic if you are able to keep the Mustang because I often see our members swing back around and get another Mustang to replace the one they traded in. In the meantime, I know you will enjoy the 2012. As far as HP, the 3.7 V6 in your 2012 is on par with the 4.6 V8 in earlier Mustang GTs. Not the same torque rating as the V8 but its a good engine. The 4.0L in your previous Mustang has been around forever and had a decent 210 HP but was a little thrashy sounding when pushed. I think what pushed the 4.0 to the trash heap was the termination of the Ford Ranger in 2011 for the domestic market (which recently came back).

I have two children ages 92 and 88 and we recently purchased a Charger Scat Pack. No way can they climb into an SUV or pole vault into a 4x4 extended cab. The sedan allows us to whoosh them around sportingly fast before they start acting up. >:)

And for relaxation we take our Mustang out for leisure rides.

Enjoy your new ride.
 

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The 2011 V6 is not the Coyote engine; the Coyote is the new 5.0 liter V8

But still, the 2011 V6 should be a big improvement over the 2010 V6, it is a whole new engine making over 300 HP while the previous version was something like 225
Oops. I fixed my post.

As I said, it is definitely an improvement in a lot of ways but nothing earth-shattering. The power is there but without a way to manually shift (it's an automatic, no paddle shifters available) it feels like it's buried until you get to 50 mph. The old V6 feels just as fast until about 4000 RPM when the new V6 finally blows it away.

Stang: If you are looking at a family down the road, the 2 door is not too infant or car seat friendly when it comes to getting the children in and out. From your post I get the hint you already know that and I assume will be looking for a 4-door at that time.

I usually do not jump brands but the 2015 and up Charger is a good family sedan in the 3.6L version because it gets decent fuel economy, has plenty of room, and decent power for a family car. It would be fantastic if you are able to keep the Mustang because I often see our members swing back around and get another Mustang to replace the one they traded in. In the meantime, I know you will enjoy the 2012. As far as HP, the 3.7 V6 in your 2012 is on par with the 4.6 V8 in earlier Mustang GTs. Not the same torque rating as the V8 but its a good engine. The 4.0L in your previous Mustang has been around forever and had a decent 210 HP but was a little thrashy sounding when pushed. I think what pushed the 4.0 to the trash heap was the termination of the Ford Ranger in 2011 for the domestic market (which recently came back).

I have two children ages 92 and 88 and we recently purchased a Charger Scat Pack. No way can they climb into an SUV or pole vault into a 4x4 extended cab. The sedan allows us to whoosh them around sportingly fast before they start acting up. >:)

And for relaxation we take our Mustang out for leisure rides.

Enjoy your new ride.
Thanks for the reply. It definitely would not be fun getting a car seat out of the back of a Mustang!

I have not driven a Charger but I have driven its sister car, the Chrysler 300. The problem is that buying an American-made car is important to me and the 300 & Charger are both assembled in Canada. But the Charger & 300 have American-built engines and transmissions so maybe it's a wash. I've also looked at the Chrysler 200 (which was assembled in America). It was discontinued but there are some good deals on fully loaded ones on the used market. It's FWD-based but if you get the AWD, sport mode does torque vectoring for a 60-40 rear bias. It was rated at 5.7 seconds for 0-60 mph. Or maybe in a couple years used Lincoln Continentals will be more affordable...

I do like the 2012, but as I mentioned the 3.7L is not night-and-day compared to the 4.0L in my opinion. The 4.0L feels torquier off the line and I actually never minded the noise. I'm surprisingly getting the same (or slightly worse) highway gas mileage in the 3.7L even though it's supposed to have vastly better highway MPG. Most of my highway driving is done in 70 mph speed zones which means I'm going 75-80. I think it's because the 3.7L is smaller and tuned for efficiency at lower highway speeds that are more like 60 mph.

I think maybe what I'll do is keep the 2010 for now. Since it's worth so little based on the age, mileage, and old engine, it costs very little to insure. That way when I eventually sell the 2012 I'll still have a Mustang. But we'll see if the fiancee will assent...

Congrats on the Scat Pack! I hear they're a riot. I've seen a handful in person but never driven one. (I'm assuming your kids aren't really 92 and 88?)
 

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Just a guess but I bet 99% of the 2011-2014 v6 Mustangs came with the gas mileage 2.73 rear gear ratio. I ordered my 2011 with the only option gear ratio of 3.31. The 3.31 should have been the standard gear ratio. It still wasn't enough gear for me so I had my local Ford dealer install my 3.73 gears. Great improvement. Just saying...………….:)
 

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Oops. I fixed my post.

As I said, it is definitely an improvement in a lot of ways but nothing earth-shattering. The power is there but without a way to manually shift (it's an automatic, no paddle shifters available) it feels like it's buried until you get to 50 mph. The old V6 feels just as fast until about 4000 RPM when the new V6 finally blows it away.



Thanks for the reply. It definitely would not be fun getting a car seat out of the back of a Mustang!

I have not driven a Charger but I have driven its sister car, the Chrysler 300. The problem is that buying an American-made car is important to me and the 300 & Charger are both assembled in Canada. But the Charger & 300 have American-built engines and transmissions so maybe it's a wash. I've also looked at the Chrysler 200 (which was assembled in America). It was discontinued but there are some good deals on fully loaded ones on the used market. It's FWD-based but if you get the AWD, sport mode does torque vectoring for a 60-40 rear bias. It was rated at 5.7 seconds for 0-60 mph. Or maybe in a couple years used Lincoln Continentals will be more affordable...

I do like the 2012, but as I mentioned the 3.7L is not night-and-day compared to the 4.0L in my opinion. The 4.0L feels torquier off the line and I actually never minded the noise. I'm surprisingly getting the same (or slightly worse) highway gas mileage in the 3.7L even though it's supposed to have vastly better highway MPG. Most of my highway driving is done in 70 mph speed zones which means I'm going 75-80. I think it's because the 3.7L is smaller and tuned for efficiency at lower highway speeds that are more like 60 mph.

I think maybe what I'll do is keep the 2010 for now. Since it's worth so little based on the age, mileage, and old engine, it costs very little to insure. That way when I eventually sell the 2012 I'll still have a Mustang. But we'll see if the fiancee will assent...

Congrats on the Scat Pack! I hear they're a riot. I've seen a handful in person but never driven one. (I'm assuming your kids aren't really 92 and 88?)

The kids are mother & mother in law. :grin:

I agree you should keep the 2010 Mustang. You are on track looking at the economy of what you eventually purchase for family use. Economy, performance, insurance, etc are major factors.
 
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