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My black 2002 has the Gt scoops on the side, and one day I was driving along, minding my own business, hardly speeding at all, when one of the dang things fell off (be advised, their aerodynamic properties appear to fail above 140mph - obviously a bad design).

I bought a new one from a Ford dealer ($150, and $19 for the plastic grill, and $8 for the new rivet kit) and the new push rivet kit (there are 6 that hold the things on). Upon exanimining the new rivets and the 1 remaining original rivet, its clear that Ford has recognized the problem, since the new pieces have twice the gripping surface of the old ones!

As far as "How to Do It", the scoops pry off with your fingers (! if you didn't know this, neither did I !) if you're a strong male, or with just a little persuasion with the all-purpose towel-wrapped flat head screwdriver. Remove the original fasteners and replace all 6 with the new, improved models. If you want to do a little lo-tek upgrade to the car, now's the time to replace the black abs plastic grill. Some companies make prettier metal versions, and I'm sure they're great. Having just laid out nearly $200 for a vanished non-funcitonal body accessory, I chose to paint them a satin chrome. I think they look good. The grills have 3 keyed portions that hold them to the scoop - just squeeze them with your fingers and they pop loose, then push gently down and disengage the last L-shaped key on the bottom. Reverse to install.

Whole process takes about an hour, depending on whether you remove the scoops by hand or via my method of blowing them off at high speed...

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Speaking of side scoops, I have pair of new CDC ones for a 96-98, currently painted Laser Red. Free to whoever wants, you pay shipping. They will need new tape.
 

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The satin chrome finish looks nice :thumbsup
 

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Side scoops look good

Ricer body kit and hood, = Gay.

Sorry but, nice work on the scoops.
 

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Check history

History of Automotive Styling, 101

60's and 70's American muscle cars and factory sponsored teams dominate world racing scene, including GT40 at Le Mans, Boss Mustangs, various Cobras and Shelbies, Firebirds and Camaros, not to mention some wild Mopars. NACA ducts, scoops, spoilers, splitters and air dams galore - none of them "ricer". Ultimate expressions of American aerodynamic and styling exercises are created in the way of Trans Am Firebirds, Dodge Daytona/Superbirds, and Shelbies with 6 (or was it 8?) naca ducts.

Rest of world notices, including Japanese, Koreans, Europeans, et al.

Fast forward a few decades. Japanese cars go fiberglass kit crazy. Where oh where to get their styling ideas from... 60's and 70's American Muscle cars. Of course. Wholesale styling theft occurs on a massive scale. Ridiculous little rice boxes sprout outrageous wings from every horizontal surface, and scoops from every orifice. Term "ricer" is born. New generation is also born who does not remember from whence the original ideas came - now bastardized beyond belief, of course. Still, its important to remember that they are imitations of American muscle, NOT the reverse.

Naca ducts were put on mustangs by Carroll Shelby in 1970, and I don't believe he was imitating a Japanese car when he did it. Aerodynamic air dams, spoilers, and bodywork designed to incorporate functional driving lights (vs weak, decorative fog lights) was also pioneered in the same era.

In my opinion, the Cervini Stalker designs for the hood and bumper are the closest attempt to achieving those design and function aims. They are tasteful interpretations of American automotive performance heritage, not fake honda adornments. The hood fits better than the oe item it replaced - and its naca ducts are functional. The bumper offers the identical ground clearance of the original, while exceeding its aerodynamic properties and offering driving light mounting ducts similar to those of the Cobras. All other ground effect items on the car are oe Mustang GT Ford (I like the look of the original rear bumper fine, as well as the small side skirts and the side scoops as well).

Like many derogatory remarks, "ricer" has evolved to encompass a far too general concept of badness. Language should be precise. To be logical, design should be based on function. A car that has functional fitments has a definite advantage over a car carrying styling items that add nothing but aerodynamic penalties and extra weight.

Stylistically, it is possible to make the hitorical case that it is we who are the logical inheritors of creative aerodynamic body kits, not the Civic drivers.

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mean03gt said:
Side scoops look good

Ricer body kit and hood, = Gay.

Sorry but, nice work on the scoops.
 

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tripleblack said:
History of Automotive Styling, 101

60's and 70's American muscle cars and factory sponsored teams dominate world racing scene, including GT40 at Le Mans, Boss Mustangs, various Cobras and Shelbies, Firebirds and Camaros, not to mention some wild Mopars. NACA ducts, scoops, spoilers, splitters and air dams galore - none of them "ricer". Ultimate expressions of American aerodynamic and styling exercises are created in the way of Trans Am Firebirds, Dodge Daytona/Superbirds, and Shelbies with 6 (or was it 8?) naca ducts.

Rest of world notices, including Japanese, Koreans, Europeans, et al.

Fast forward a few decades. Japanese cars go fiberglass kit crazy. Where oh where to get their styling ideas from... 60's and 70's American Muscle cars. Of course. Wholesale styling theft occurs on a massive scale. Ridiculous little rice boxes sprout outrageous wings from every horizontal surface, and scoops from every orifice. Term "ricer" is born. New generation is also born who does not remember from whence the original ideas came - now bastardized beyond belief, of course. Still, its important to remember that they are imitations of American muscle, NOT the reverse.

Naca ducts were put on mustangs by Carroll Shelby in 1970, and I don't believe he was imitating a Japanese car when he did it. Aerodynamic air dams, spoilers, and bodywork designed to incorporate functional driving lights (vs weak, decorative fog lights) was also pioneered in the same era.

In my opinion, the Cervini Stalker designs for the hood and bumper are the closest attempt to achieving those design and function aims. They are tasteful interpretations of American automotive performance heritage, not fake honda adornments. The hood fits better than the oe item it replaced - and its naca ducts are functional. The bumper offers the identical ground clearance of the original, while exceeding its aerodynamic properties and offering driving light mounting ducts similar to those of the Cobras. All other ground effect items on the car are oe Mustang GT Ford (I like the look of the original rear bumper fine, as well as the small side skirts and the side scoops as well).

Like many derogatory remarks, "ricer" has evolved to encompass a far too general concept of badness. Language should be precise. To be logical, design should be based on function. A car that has functional fitments has a definite advantage over a car carrying styling items that add nothing but aerodynamic penalties and extra weight.

Stylistically, it is possible to make the hitorical case that it is we who are the logical inheritors of creative aerodynamic body kits, not the Civic drivers.

tripleblack

All true, but you're talking to a member of the Mustang Taliban. You're never going to get them to believe that anything different from the creator is good. And that any interpretation of the original script is verboten.

Besides, the fake scoops on the original 64.5 & 66, and 67, etc? There was no aerodynamic benefit for the rebodied falcon.

THe Shelby NACA ducts weren't really all that useful, they were taken from NASA and meant to evoke space age/race technology - a fighter plane for the streets.

Beauty and style are in the eye of the beholder. And really, what we're talking about is a car.

Any shape outside of perhaps a Lotus 7 or a cart racer is really "rice" when you think of it. It's all style with no real function.

When it becomes "rice" is when the style exceeds the performance of the car, i think in a philosophical sense.


In any case, I don't think it's worth arguing about.
 

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No argument

Guess my point was that the stylistic fathers of modern aero kits were folks like Carroll Shelby who did both - create effective and successful race cars where aero design was functional, and a dramatic mix of function and looks for the street.

As for Talibanesque beliefs, a bit of cold logic: If the "creator" is Ford, and Ford designers have been using design ideas from Shelbies for over 40 years, and those design cues are the source for what they think of as "rice", then...

Where does that leave them?

As for fake scoops, my too-oblique allusion was really aimed at the modern GT's heavy, vision-blocking and totally non-functional (but stock and really not back looking) hood scoop - vs my hood, with its form-follows-function design that is also NOT vision-blocking, performs a minor but valuable function, and saves weight over the original item.

No argument the Shelby naca styling concepts were lifted from NASA designs - though this would hardly negate their American versus "rice" origins, of course. As for the earliest stylized chrome "scoops", those date clear back to the Aero Buick in the 40's. Again, they were never intended to actually look or be functional, but were purely decorative, evoking an emotional reaction in the viewer. The modern scoops usually have a form and design meant to look functional, and can often be modified rather easily to achieve a function (side scoops for brake cooling vents, front scoops for the same, etc.).

Having SOME function (versus nothing but parasitic drag and weight) is a clear demarcation in determing between "good" versus "bad" aero aids. Whereas only the most exotic aircraft achieve anything like true aero function, still all automobiles can benefit from sound original designs, and most can gain something from aftermarket alterations unhindered by committee-designing-a-camel corporate decisions.

I like your definition of "rice": 'Where style exceeds the peformance of the car'. It might be a bit simplistic, but far rather that than the vapid logic of
"rice=gay".

Establishing the high ground in any discussion as to who can and cannot add a part to their car is an exercise in logic. Establishing whether or not the result is in good taste is the part where the "eye of the beholder" holds sway. Like many things stylistic, "good" and "bad" design are easier to identify than "timeless" design, which must have a long history ot study to even being to determine.

I believe my interpretation of the new edge mustang (itself a design with "ricer" influences throughout, in that it borrows from some notable Japanese cars) strays back to Ford roots, rather than away from them.

I thinks its "good".

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All true, but you're talking to a member of the Mustang Taliban. You're never going to get them to believe that anything different from the creator is good. And that any interpretation of the original script is verboten.

Besides, the fake scoops on the original 64.5 & 66, and 67, etc? There was no aerodynamic benefit for the rebodied falcon.

THe Shelby NACA ducts weren't really all that useful, they were taken from NASA and meant to evoke space age/race technology - a fighter plane for the streets.

Beauty and style are in the eye of the beholder. And really, what we're talking about is a car.

Any shape outside of perhaps a Lotus 7 or a cart racer is really "rice" when you think of it. It's all style with no real function.

When it becomes "rice" is when the style exceeds the performance of the car, i think in a philosophical sense.


In any case, I don't think it's worth arguing about.
 

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I don't care what the one dude says, that's a badass looking 'Stang.
 

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mean03gt said:
Side scoops look good

Ricer body kit and hood, = Gay.

Sorry but, nice work on the scoops.
Dude.. his car looks bad ass! and yours? well I see no pictures of yours so... who's probably drivin a ricer?
 

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Dude.. his car looks bad ass! and yours? well I see no pictures of yours so... who's probably drivin a ricer?
Wow you guys are taking this way to ******* personally, get the **** over it, i dont like his car, tough ****.

Who cares, i love my GT, and i will do what i want to do to it, if that makes him happy, then thats good, he should do what he wants because its his car, he should be able to take critics if he wants to put himself out in a public forum. I never said i didnt like his car, i drive a black GT too, i just dont like the hood, and front fascia. I DO LOVE HIS RIMS.

And this isnt even your car, so why the hell are you arguing with me?

And btw, i sold my Acura RSX for my GT, so no, im not driving a ricer.

NOT TO MENTION your sig says you have Flowmaster Headers...THEY DONT MAKE HEADERS...IDIOT

And speaking of pictures, why dont you show me some pics of your "Flowmaster headers" right next to your "Kenne Bell Twin Screw SuperCharger"
 

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Lets settle down

Gosh, lets all settle down. I'm the only one who's had his manhood challenged - no, I'm not gay, and far as I can tell, neither is my car - though I've never tried to prove it. As for this thread, I managed to make my point without a single *.

Lets all try to find the humor at my expense - particularly since I only wanted everyone to share a smile about my experience (expensive experience) with the scoops. The new plastic hardware IS superior, and if you drive your car fast, you may need this info.

As for defining "rice", I think coyote had a good, workable definition, and I'm willing to accept that. As to the idea of linking sexual preference to a car, I'll leave the analysis of that for those who believe some guys have small "self esteem" because they like fast cars.

As for taking criticism, a review of my posts will show I'm willing to concede a point when I'm wrong; welcome corrections and anyone who brings data to the table; and have a working knowledge of graphic design and cars. I do not ignore criticism - it is far too valuable to do that. I analyze it, and often use it to strengthen my own decision process. A young man recently told me he thought the bullit fuel door (left natural aluminum at first) threw off the balance of the look of the car. I thought about it and agreed with him - and painted the fuel door black, leaving only the bolts natural. If someone wants to criticize a stylistic decision, go ahead - but please leave ad homonem attacks and analogies out of the criticism - it raises the tone of the discussion, and keeps the exchange of ideas friendly.

I hope this post is accepted as an olive branch. The number of those who truly enjoy and hold in high regard our Marque's cars is too few to fall to biting one another over so small a matter!

Hey, mean03GT, how about we agree you prefer the stock hood and bumper, and that I'm neither a ricer nor gay? What'ya say?

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mean03gt said:
Wow you guys are taking this way to ******* personally, get the **** over it, i dont like his car, tough ****.

Who cares, i love my GT, and i will do what i want to do to it, if that makes him happy, then thats good, he should do what he wants because its his car, he should be able to take critics if he wants to put himself out in a public forum. I never said i didnt like his car, i drive a black GT too, i just dont like the hood, and front fascia. I DO LOVE HIS RIMS.

And this isnt even your car, so why the hell are you arguing with me?

And btw, i sold my Acura RSX for my GT, so no, im not driving a ricer.

NOT TO MENTION your sig says you have Flowmaster Headers...THEY DONT MAKE HEADERS...IDIOT

And speaking of pictures, why dont you show me some pics of your "Flowmaster headers" right next to your "Kenne Bell Twin Screw SuperCharger"
 

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Hey, mean03GT, how about we agree you prefer the stock hood and bumper, and that I'm neither a ricer nor gay? What'ya say?

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Deal, but this other dude, doesnt need to be callin people on **** when he appears to be full of bulls h i t

And i really like a good lip kit, and that kind of stuff, but the whole body kit, with the big fog lights just isnt for me, plus i would 99% surely run into a parking stop or curb and tear a body kit to pieces.
 

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No question

The key to selecting an option to the oe front bumper is ground clearance and manufacture. The Cervini item is made of urethane (just like oe), and has the same clearance as oe (my car is lowered 1.2" up front with Steeda springs). Anyone who puts a chin spoiler on a lowered car will have less ground clearance than I do. Speaking stylistically, the Mach 1 chin spoiler should have been on all GT's - it adds a bit of an air dam effect, and looks excellent. Unfortunately and for everyone's info, Ford no longer sells these to the aftermarket, and is seeking to force everyone to buy them through a Ford dealer for about twice their earlier, aftermarket price.

As for the huge bulk of aftermarket body parts, the general run is of inferior design, manufacture and materials. If you choose this path, buy from superior manufacturers like Roush, Steeda, and Cervini. No matter what you do, DO NOT buy fiberglass to mount on your front bumper. Talk about a recipe for disastor!

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mean03gt said:
Deal, but this other dude, doesnt need to be callin people on **** when he appears to be full of bulls h i t

And i really like a good lip kit, and that kind of stuff, but the whole body kit, with the big fog lights just isnt for me, plus i would 99% surely run into a parking stop or curb and tear a body kit to pieces.
 

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Jairazona said:
Dude.. his car looks bad ass! and yours? well I see no pictures of yours so... who's probably drivin a ricer?
Im still waiting on your pictures of your flowmaster headers and your supercharger.
 

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how about everyone just chill out.
 

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BlueStreak03 said:
how about everyone just chill out.
Or, stick in the v6 forums & avoid the Taliban!

:bouncer :drink: :hihi: :naughty :yup: :eek:

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For what it's worth, NICE RIDE ! Wish I could have one in my drive just like it.

Now, please do me a favor....please explain this statement....
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... hardly speeding at all ...
Is that the same as "A Little Pregnant"? Or, "A Little Dead"?

Come on guys, lighten up on the name calling and bad-mouthing other people's cars....Save that stuff for some other forum.
 

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Irony

The "hardly" line was pure irony. I was on a south Georgia freeway (we build billion dollar highways in Georgia that start and end at pine trees, with nothing in between and no reason for the road that anyone can identify other than some son-in-law of a state senator selling gobs of worthless land to the DOT for the road...) and, feeling lonely, decided to drive a bit faster than is good for me. Probably forever nestled in one of those pine trees in a 20 mile swath of nothing is my driver-side scoop. Hence the story.

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Fiat Freak said:
For what it's worth, NICE RIDE ! Wish I could have one in my drive just like it.

Now, please do me a favor....please explain this statement....

Is that the same as "A Little Pregnant"? Or, "A Little Dead"?

Come on guys, lighten up on the name calling and bad-mouthing other people's cars....Save that stuff for some other forum.
 

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And back to the subject of side scoops, I still have a set of CDC scoops for a 95-98, currently in gorgeous Laser Red that I'm happy to give away if someone wants to pay shipping and re-tape. PM me.
 

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Will pass the word

I'm amazed someone hasn't snapped these up, but I'll pass the word at my next club meeting.

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And back to the subject of side scoops, I still have a set of CDC scoops for a 95-98, currently in gorgeous Laser Red that I'm happy to give away if someone wants to pay shipping and re-tape. PM me.
 
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