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That 2010 you raced must have a crappy driver or it is the standard gear GT. I agree with the OP. I drove a 3.31 auto 5.0 and I actually like my 3.73 2010 GT better. Yes, the 5.0 has more power (in stock form), but I was not "wowed" like I thought I would be. Maybe a 3.73 5.0 6 speed would "wow" me, but I'll wait until 2012.
You guys need to understand, from my point of view this thing is like a rocket going from a Challenger RT to a 11 Mustang 5.0. I drove a 2010 GT w/ 3.73 gears and the only difference was accelerating from a stop but it didn't feel much different than the '11. Acceleration while cruising, the 5.0 is way better than the 4.6. Besides couldn't see trading my Challenger for an engine which has run it's course and is now yesterdays technology, not to mention the 6 speed tranny. I have to drive 60 miles a day to and from work daily on GA400. I want the best of both worlds - lots of power and fuel economy - case for the 3.31 gears.
For what it's worth, about $4,000.00 will get power levels comperable to the 5.0 in the 4.6 - this is what is being done at our "speed shop" for those die hard 4.6 guys.
 

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I've had my 5.0 - MT - brembo pkg - 3.55 for about a week/ 500 mixed miles and have learned to keep the rev's up (3K and up) than with the 4.6 I've also been surprised to find I use all 6 gears a lot - 3 thru 5 are sweet while 6th is dull & quiet (2K @ 65 - 70 mph). If i can believe the goofy bar chart on the dash, mileage in 6th appears to be best @ 80 mph ....interesting (VCT thing?). Handling is absolutely superb and worth the occasional rough ride over worn CA frwy. Biggest anxiety was no spare & can goop in trunk so I bought an $8 plug kit and $.79 bottle of water and feel better now.

This is a damn fine car and even my hot 50 yr old girlfriend thinks I look good behind the wheel. Life is good.
 

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You guys need to understand, from my point of view this thing is like a rocket going from a Challenger RT to a 11 Mustang 5.0. I drove a 2010 GT w/ 3.73 gears and the only difference was accelerating from a stop but it didn't feel much different than the '11. Acceleration while cruising, the 5.0 is way better than the 4.6. Besides couldn't see trading my Challenger for an engine which has run it's course and is now yesterdays technology, not to mention the 6 speed tranny. I have to drive 60 miles a day to and from work daily on GA400. I want the best of both worlds - lots of power and fuel economy - case for the 3.31 gears.
For what it's worth, about $4,000.00 will get power levels comperable to the 5.0 in the 4.6 - this is what is being done at our "speed shop" for those die hard 4.6 guys.
I am the first to defend the 4.6 especially the 10 which had all the normal "mods" for free. I am the first to point out the 11 is not THAT much faster (as people claim). It's a great evolutionary step, not revolutionary.

But you are right. When it comes to acceleration at speed, the 4.6 won't compete. When it comes to wot drag racing, the 10 will be left 1 to 3 car lengths behind.

Still love that it's perfected and bulletproof though.
 

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I would think since there is about a 1 sec difference between a 2011 and 2010 in their 1/4 mile elapsed times, and the faster car is trapping at about 110 mph, or 160 feet per second - therefore the difference is more like 8 car lengths between the two. In practice it may be closer but probably more than 1-3 lengths!
 

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I've got love for both cars, but honestly, unless you do drop another 4K$ into the engine, don't mess with the 5.0. Then you'd have to drop some more cash into the chassis if you want to hit the twisties. If anyone wants to see how many car lengths the 4.6 will finish behind the 5.0 in 1/4, look me up in a few months. I live a mile from the dragstrip. We could put it on youtube, etc...
 

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I test drove a 2011 5.0 today and I can say that I am not overally impressed with it. I have a 2005 GT and I really didn't think it was a HUGE difference in performance. Yes I could tell a difference and yes it was very nice. If I didn't have a mustang and looked to get one this would be my first choice. But for me I was not compelled to trade in my GT for the upgrade.

Anyone else with a GT drive a 5.0 and think this?


Well I have to ask if you have had any work done to the 2005 GT? What is the rear gear ratio? (3.31, 3.55, 3.73...etc). I have a 2009 GT and want to test drive a 5.0 soon so I can see how much faster it really is. I am really hoping I have the same reaction as you so i don't get the 5.0 fever!
 

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I am the first to defend the 4.6 especially the 10 which had all the normal "mods" for free. I am the first to point out the 11 is not THAT much faster (as people claim). It's a great evolutionary step, not revolutionary.

But you are right. When it comes to acceleration at speed, the 4.6 won't compete. When it comes to wot drag racing, the 10 will be left 1 to 3 car lengths behind.

Still love that it's perfected and bulletproof though.

Really now?

A trap speed of 103-104 vs 110-112 (some have trapped 115 in stock form with the 5.0. check youtube) is a HUGE difference. That's murder in a drag race.

The 5.0 is tons faster than the 4.6.

I have a 2007 GT, full exhaust, CAI/tune and 4.10. Ran a best of 13.2 @ 107mph on stock tires.

I went and drove a 3.73 gear 2011 5.0 and it blew the socks off of my modded 2007 GT. The top end power is way stronger. It accelerates much faster while having taller gearing. I could easily run .5 seconds faster in the 5.0


A simple CAI, exhaust and tune on the 5.0's are getting them into low 12's (BMW M5 Territory.), add some rubber and they are running 11's.

A 4.6L with the same simple mods is barely making 12's.





Those who are somehow disappointed by the 5.0 vs the 4.6 are either smoking crack or expected GT500 power levels.
 

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I've got love for both cars, but honestly, unless you do drop another 4K$ into the engine, don't mess with the 5.0. Then you'd have to drop some more cash into the chassis if you want to hit the twisties. If anyone wants to see how many car lengths the 4.6 will finish behind the 5.0 in 1/4, look me up in a few months. I live a mile from the dragstrip. We could put it on youtube, etc...
My chasis is the same as yours thank you...with better tires and a few less pounds and hydraulic steering to boot. :p

I would think since there is about a 1 sec difference between a 2011 and 2010 in their 1/4 mile elapsed times, and the faster car is trapping at about 110 mph, or 160 feet per second - therefore the difference is more like 8 car lengths between the two. In practice it may be closer but probably more than 1-3 lengths!
8 car lengths at 110 and the 1/4 is the theoretical possibility there...if you have the BEST driver on the BEST DAY...i never denined that however.

But....i usually take my foot out of it once i get up to 60ish...thats where i was getting that 3 car length number from. The longer the race goes on the, the great the difference.

Since i dont routinely drag to the 1/4 when i get in my car and go some where..i actually DO care about 0-60 etc. :p (4.9 vs 4.5)

I suppose it depends on if we are talking about at the drag strip or daily driving. The 2011 is about fast a car as you can get at an affordable price either way..but the legal limits would prevent all but the MOST aggressive drivers from utilizing most of that extra power any where but on the track.

I am not knocking it...there is no such thing as TOO MUCH power in my book :bigthumbsup

But what i meant by "not a huge difference" is that you are not going to see it jump to Bugatti or even Ferrari performance...its a STEP faster, not a galaxy jump faster.... it doesnt have solid rockert boosters and you do not have to plan a rolll over maneuver to look back at the planet when you launch it.

I still would not trade that 1 second advantage in for buying an engine in the first year or possibly 2 of production...but there again..thats personal preference..to many its worth the headache.


PS...we will proably be having this same discussion in reverse when i spring for a Boss or shelby in 2013 and you will be trying to convince ME that my .3 second advantage to 60 "isn't reallly that much" or 'isnt really practical in the real world"..



Good times....


Really now?

A trap speed of 103-104 vs 110-112 (some have trapped 115 in stock form with the 5.0. check youtube) is a HUGE difference. That's murder in a drag race.

The 5.0 is tons faster than the 4.6.

I have a 2007 GT, full exhaust, CAI/tune and 4.10. Ran a best of 13.2 @ 107mph on stock tires.

I went and drove a 3.73 gear 2011 5.0 and it blew the socks off of my modded 2007 GT. The top end power is way stronger. It accelerates much faster while having taller gearing. I could easily run .5 seconds faster in the 5.0


A simple CAI, exhaust and tune on the 5.0's are getting them into low 12's (BMW M5 Territory.), add some rubber and they are running 11's.

A 4.6L with the same simple mods is barely making 12's.





Those who are somehow disappointed by the 5.0 vs the 4.6 are either smoking crack or expected GT500 power levels.
Also on youtube is nearly 100% stock 2010 GT running around 12.9 in the quarter..granted that was probably a perfect night and perfect launch..but youtube it, its there.

What has the world come to with 1/4s in the high 12s is considered "slow" for an every day driver!

:worship

Obviously as cars get faster things will change but there just arent very many cars i need that much power to get around. I have YET to find someone i couldnt just fly around if i needed to...there just arent that many SS's or 5.0s around and if one of them decides to stick his foot in it...he isnt in "my way" anyway.
 

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Also on youtube is nearly 100% stock 2010 GT running around 12.9 in the quarter..granted that was probably a perfect night and perfect launch..but youtube it, its there.

What has the world come to with 1/4s in the high 12s is considered "slow" for an every day driver!

:worship

Obviously as cars get faster things will change but there just arent very many cars i need that much power to get around. I have YET to find someone i couldnt just fly around if i needed to...there just arent that many SS's or 5.0s around and if one of them decides to stick his foot in it...he isnt in "my way" anyway.
What do you mean "Nearly 100% stock." No 4.6 is pulling a 12.9 without drag radials.

We're talking 100% stock, period.

Cars trapping as high as 115mph vs the other that probably has trapped a max of 105 or 106.

An average 8-9 mph trap speed difference is HUGE.

Besides, i am talking trap speed, which truly demonstrates the cars power and acceleration, vs an ET which depends on traction and launch moreso than anything.

Case in point, you said they are not that much faster, and you're just dead wrong. They are considerably faster.
 

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We are arguing over syntax. I do consider 1 second to be a large difference, just not enough to account for the hype...which would lead one to believe they were producing chariots that you can ride to heaven in...have a cup of tea with Jesus Christ and then get dumped into a bed full of Pamela Anderson clones.

I stand corrected on the definition of the word 'huge"...but not on my opinion about the hype.

Also the problem comes in with our views of time and performance..you are looking at it from a strictly racing view which you should.

I made the MISTAKE of looking at it in the practical view where i have never seen someone walk into the office a second ahead of me and then FLIP out about how much later to work i was than him. lol

However, that was my mistake clearly. :smartass:


YouTube - 2010 Mustang in the 12's



READ: STREET TIRES.

You stand corrected (on that point)

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Yea lower control arm, the fog light removed because that is where the intake box is. The car still had the factory air filter, street tires, and the stock 3.73's. Awesome driver. Car just went 11.96 last month on full slicks and more mods but still stock longblock. "

12.96 ON STREET TIRES....11.96 ON SLICKS

There, i admitted where i was wrong..now i will wait for you to admit you were.

:bigthumbsup
 

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We are arguing over syntax. I do consider 1 second to be a large difference, just not enough to account for the hype...which would lead one to believe they were producing chariots that you can ride to heaven in...have a cup of tea with Jesus Christ and then get dumped into a bed full of Pamela Anderson clones.

I stand corrected on the definition of the word 'huge"...but not on my opinion about the hype.

Also the problem comes in with our views of time and performance..you are looking at it from a strictly racing view which you should.

I made the MISTAKE of looking at it in the practical view where i have never seen someone walk into the office a second ahead of me and then FLIP out about how much later to work i was than him. lol

However, that was my mistake clearly. :smartass:


YouTube - 2010 Mustang in the 12's



READ: STREET TIRES.

You stand corrected (on that point)

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Yea lower control arm, the fog light removed because that is where the intake box is. The car still had the factory air filter, street tires, and the stock 3.73's. Awesome driver. Car just went 11.96 last month on full slicks and more mods but still stock longblock. "

12.96 ON STREET TIRES....11.96 ON SLICKS

There, i admitted where i was wrong..now i will wait for you to admit you were.

:bigthumbsup

Your personal interpretation of the hype by expecting the ride off into heaven having a drink with Jesus is your own fault.

I nowhere in any place ever heard anything that hyped the car to that extent.



If you consider a 1 second difference to not live up to the hype, then you are on drugs.



Besides, for the 3rd time, I am looking at trap speeds that show the car's true power. Not ET's.

115mph vs that 2010's 107mph. 8 mph difference. If that 2010's run had the 5.0 in it, considering equal traction, launch, etc, it would have ran 12.2 seconds.

That is a very big difference.



It takes a hell of a lot more to go 12.8 from 13.5 (car averages) than it does from say... 16.0 to 15.0. or even 15.0 to 14.0

The car has 33% more power FCOL. Your expectation was clearly unrealistic.




That 2010's 11.9 run was with way more than just the addition of slicks. He trapped 113mph in that run. You can hear he had it cammed. Starting to get major mods for that time, where as the 5.0 does it with a CAI/tune and slicks. All else stock.

Fine. Street tires. I was wrong. But he had other mods to increase launch and traction, UCA and LCA and an X-pipe. The concept of increasing traction to gain that time wasn't a faulty assumption.
 

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Bottom line the 5.0 just has too much going for it for me to even consider a 2010 GT.
A. Faster engine
B. 6 speed transmission
C. Electronic steering
D. Updated Suspension
E. Brembo brakes offered

etc.....
 

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I agree with Allentown. No doubt the 5.0 is cool. However, I'll take the proven reliability of the 4.6 over the not proven 5.0, at this point. I don't recall the 2010 models being on hold forever at Ramp 51 for "quality issues"!
 

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just tested it myself for the first time today, thought the handling and feel were absolutely amazing. the road noise level was also minimal to none, only the drone and rumble of the exhaust--- made my 08 pony sound like its body was perforated and exposed to the outside!

The power is great from the get-go at around 1.5-2k rpm and only gets better. Cant afford one yet, but am sold on the 5.0 once i am ready in a year or so. There just is no other car like it. Sublimity in its purest form.
 

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... that really makes zero sense to me.... I owned a 2010 GT a few month before my 5.0 and I noticed a huge difference. If you were riding on stock gears that could be the reason, which most of the GTs are at this point to my disappointment... those 3.31 gears do NOT work to the 5.0s favor. If not, you should probably go get your ears checked, cause you're just not feeling what you're supposed to haha

Fast, Neat, Average...

Friendly, Good, Good
 

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It seems that some are taking this original thread a little too seriously. I understand his point. I test drove a 2010 cadillac CTS-V about 3 weeks ago that I felt the exact same way about. This car has a 556 HP supercharged 6.2L and does 0-60 in 3.9 with a 12.4 1/4 mile. This car ABSOLUTELY did not feel that fast seat of the pants when I drove it. I drove in "D" and also used the steering wheel paddles. The car, no doubt, was fast but certainly didn't garner the hype based on how it felt to me. With that being said, both the 2010 and 2011 mustangs are fine cars. Who cares if the 2011 is more powerful and a few 10ths quicker? The 2010 can be had cheaply with great financing now. The 2010 has more tha enough power for daily real world driving, i.e., passing, on ramps etc. Who street races anymore? Its not like the old days when you'd just get a ticket. Now, your car gets impounded on the spot. I just recently got rid of a 2008 Z06. Now, that car was fast and in a league of its own but after having it a short while, I realized that there was absolutely nowhere that I could utilize that power in a real world daily commute. I bought that car for the same fundamental reason that everyone is scrambling to get their hands on the new 2011 5.0; bragging rights; the type of car that you don't necesarilly have to go fast in because everyone knows that you can go fast. I ultimately sold the Z06 because I drove it no different than any other car I had owned and it just became a hassle as a daily driver. The clutch was too stiff. The suspension was too harsh. I had to have it when it came out though. It took me 2 years to convince my wife to let me buy it and then I wound up almost hating it. I just got my new 2010 GT and I absolutely love it! This is the nicest car I've owned in several years. This car is night and day difference with regard to quality/fit and finish compared to that Z06 and my current Corvette. The Electronics Package on this Mustang is reason enough to buy this car. With regard to the performance of the 2010 Mustang, a VW Beetle would beat me at a stoplight race becasue the VW would be racing by itself. I don't race so the power difference between the 2010/2011 Mustangs is not an issue for me. If that's your thing, then the 2011 is for you. Wishing everyone continued health and success and remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 

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..... I don't race so the power difference between the 2010/2011 Mustangs is not an issue for me. If that's your thing, then the 2011 is for you......
Speed or power is not only factor... updated suspension, electronic stability control*, electronic steering, 6 speed transmission, brembo brakes*, etc.

*w/ brembo brake pkg.

Speed is just a small piece of a larger puzzle.
 

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Speed or power is not only factor... updated suspension, electronic stability control*, electronic steering, 6 speed transmission, brembo brakes*, etc.

*w/ brembo brake pkg.

Speed is just a small piece of a larger puzzle.
Finally..AN 11 owner who makes my point for me.

Speed is NOT the only factor. The 11 has the SAME suspension, the same advance trac stability control, and on my particular version....the entire Shelby GT 500 suspension, carbon fibor clutch plate, 19 insh summer tires (whic are NOT standard on the 11s), short shifter, improved aerodynamics, decresed wind noise as the 11s have..and is a few pounds lighter to boot.

Speed is just one SMALL piece of the puzzle indeed.

Thus why someone would not understand the hype going from the 10 to the 11.

Thank you!

:worship

I will conceded defeat on having a 6speed but not about the electronic steering..i much prefer (as did many of the reviewers..the very well tuned in hydraulic steering on the 10s)

Its also 94% as quiet as the 11s..(some say they made the 11s too quiet) so that negates the whole "nice ride/very comfy/very refined) piece of the hype also.
 

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I agree with Allentown. No doubt the 5.0 is cool. However, I'll take the proven reliability of the 4.6 over the not proven 5.0, at this point. I don't recall the 2010 models being on hold forever at Ramp 51 for "quality issues"!

Based on that "logic", Ford built an inline 6 from 1965 to 1996, therefore that engines record of proven reliability trumps yours by several years. As a matter of fact, it ought to be enough for you to yank your 4.6l out tomorrow.

Good luck with your mighty 165 HP motor :winks
 

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Based on that "logic", Ford built an inline 6 from 1965 to 1996, therefore that engines record of proven reliability trumps yours by several years. As a matter of fact, it ought to be enough for you to yank your 4.6l out tomorrow.

Good luck with your mighty 165 HP motor :winks
That was not exactly the logic..obviously there are newer and faster engines which ALSO have already been in fabrication long enough to have the bugs worked out..i figure 12 to 18 months into production should be GOOD ENOUGH..no need to go back and look for the longest running production engine :bigthumbsup

And its not always JUST the engine but the car itself. My 05V6 used the already in production V6 but it would stall out if you tapped the gas hard and let off quickly..like when taking off from a stop sign but then realizing you needed to wait....the result was a total loss of power and difficult breaking while rolling out into an intersection in front of on-coming traffic..without power to hit it and get out of the way (can yo say sitting duck).... Took it to Ford 4 times.....NO ERRORs listed on the OBD-II computer.

So...i some what speak from experience... Also i had an 04 RX8....it would flood if you cranked it and then turned it off before letting it warm up. The oil would foam on the dip stick and turn to sludge in cold weather.

My 05 Durango has had to have nearly every piece of eletronic equipment it HAS replaced, and my 2008 Versa had a new transmission after 32K miles.

THERE ARE reasons to buy in the final year of production...believe me.
 
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