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Toyota is shutting down production at their five North American factories. The second multi-million unit recall in three months has left them with no other option but to issue a "Do Not Deliver" order on eight vehicles including Corolla, Matrix, Rav4, Avalon, Tundra, Camry, and Sequoia - this marks the second time in three years that Toyota has recalled more vehicle than they have sold.

Dealerships will not be allowed to sell eight different Toyotas because of the yet to be determined repair to the "Unintended Accelleration" that is currently thought to be a software glitch in the ECU. Toyota's first remedy was to remove the floor mats - and in typical Toyota fashion, displaced the blame onto their customers inability to "Unwedge a stuck accellerator pedal"

My prayers go out to the families that have lost loved ones because of Toyota's inaction towards this serious matter.
 

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Wow! Thats a shock! Never would have seen this coming. Feel bad for any families that may have gotten hurt from this unsolved issue.
 

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the news on tv keeps saying it is a peddle issue, at least us newer ford guys have a safe DBW system that doesn't take off on us.but i do feel bad for those who got hurt over what toyota cant fix. that and i don't get why scion and lexus don't have the same pobs:headscratch:
 

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Well its time to give them some stimulus money we wouldnt want them to have any more problems
 

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Wow, tried to blame it on the person and not the vehicle. sounded like they were trying to avoid court/money matters.
 

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the news on tv keeps saying it is a peddle issue, at least us newer ford guys have a safe DBW system that doesn't take off on us.but i do feel bad for those who got hurt over what toyota cant fix. that and i don't get why scion and lexus don't have the same pobs:headscratch:
Lexus is having the exact same problems - the family of four that perished in the flaming wreck while on the phone with 911 was in a Lexus. The brakes had cooked and the vehcile would not stop accellerating. The 911 call is quite horrifying.... they begin to pray for each other before the wreck.

Every Toyota dealership in the country is forbidden from delivering any of the eight vehicles in question:

Camry, Matrix, Rav4, Corolla, Tundra, Sequoia, Highlander, Avalon

If it wasn't for the fatalities - this would be reason to rejoice!
 

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Interesting I'm taking my wifes Yaris in today for a recall. SHe'll be getting a Focus or Fiesta in a few months.

Although people may think this is bad. This shows responsibility on Toyotas part. They are smarter than you think. I spoke to my friend yesterday who was actually happy that Toyota is doing so many recalls. he said 'least they aren't scared too and can afford too'. He also said 'If ford and gm did as many recalls as they were supposed to they would have been gone 40 years ago'. He buys all toyotas and I work for ford. go figure lol.
 

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Washington Post article:

Toyota took the extraordinary step
Tuesday of suspending the manufacture
and sale of eight of its most popular
models because of an unresolved
mechanical flaw that might cause the
accelerator to get perilously stuck in the
depressed position.
The move comes after two massive recalls
involving millions of vehicles with either
the same flaw or one in which floor mats
also caused the accelerator to get stuck.
The Japanese carmaker told its dealers to
temporarily stop selling the RAV4,
Highlander and Sequoia sport-utility
vehicles; Corolla, Camry and Avalon cars;
Matrix hatchbacks; and Tundra pickups,
Toyota said in a statement. Production
lines at five North American plants will
be idled for the week starting Monday.
The standstill is a huge setback for a
company that built its business largely
on a reputation for reliability and which
perennially vies with General Motors and
Volkswagen for the No. 1 sales ranking
among world auto companies. And it left
many loyal Toyota customers worried
about safety and confused about what to
do, because Toyota isn't sure how to fix​
the problem.
"This is unprecedented," said Michelle
Krebs, a senior analyst with Edmunds.
com. "In the past, we have seen an
automaker stop production of one
specific vehicle or two. . . . We've never
seen an automaker pull the sales of so
many models."
Krebs said the eight models represent 65
percent of sales of the Toyota brand and
more than half of sales of the parent
company, which also makes Lexus and
Scion.
Toyota said it was halting sales because
"helping ensure the safety of our
customers and restoring confidence in
Toyota are very important to our
company."​
The company's group vice president and
Toyota division general manager, Bob
Carter, said in a statement that "this
action is necessary until a remedy is
finalized. We're making every effort to
address this situation for our customers
as quickly as possible."
Toyota has been struggling with gas
pedal problems for months. In late
September, it recalled more than 4 million
vehicles after a luxury Lexus ES350 was
involved in a fiery fatal accident in
California that focused public attention
on the danger. The crash killed a
California Highway Patrol officer and
three members of his family near San
Diego. The Lexus hit speeds exceeding
120 mph and, in a frantic emergency call,
a family member told emergency
responders that the accelerator was stuck
and the driver could not stop. Toyota
said the driver's side floor mat jammed
the gas pedal. Popular vehicles such as
the Camry and the Prius were among
those fixed.
Then on Thursday, Toyota recalled 2.3
million vehicles, many of them the same
as those recalled in November. This time,
Toyota said that an accelerator
component might cause gas pedals to
stick.
"Toyota has investigated isolated reports
of sticking accelerator pedal mechanisms
in certain vehicles without the presence​
of floor mats," the company said in a
statement. "There is a possibility that
certain accelerator pedal mechanisms
may, in rare instances, mechanically stick
in a partially depressed position or
return slowly to the idle position."
In addition, two recent incidents in Texas
and New Jersey are "under active
investigation," a Toyota official said. In
the Dallas incident Dec. 26, four people
died.
The Department of Transportation, which
oversees the National Highway and
Traffic Safety Administration, declined to
comment and referred questions to
Toyota.
The announcement Tuesday caught
dealers and customers off balance. Krebs
said many customers, especially owners
of low-priced models such as Corolla,
might not have spare cars or alternative​
ways of commuting while Toyota figured
out how to repair the problem. Yet, Krebs
said, motorists should avoid driving any
vehicle that gave any hint of having such
trouble.
John P. McEleney, chairman of the
National Automobile Dealers Association
and operator of a Toyota dealership for
37 years in Clinton, Iowa, said the timing
of the halt in sales is unfortunate, given
the industry's slump.
"The massive recall will have a lot of
impact," McEleney said. "Not being able to
sell the cars . . . is going to be very
challenging in the environment we're in.
But Toyota buyers are pretty loyal . . .
and I think a lot will come back in March,
April and May."
Marc Cannon, spokesman for AutoNation
in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., which operates
one of the country's largest Toyota
dealerships, said the firm has not
determined how it will respond to the
announcement. "We're going to go
through the facts ourselves. We're
reviewing it," he said. "It's going to take
some time to digest it over the next 12 to
24 hours."
Ben Messier, general manager of
Antwerpen Toyota in Clarksville, said he
had just gotten word about the
automaker's decision and hadn't heard
from customers. Despite the extent of the​
problem, Messier said, such flaws have
been rare at Toyota, and he praised the
automaker for "getting out in front" of
the situation.
Edmunds.com analyst Krebs said the
Toyota move was much more farreaching
than other problems of this sort.
The eight models are made at different
factories and use different platforms, she
said, making the source of the accelerator
problem even more unusual. The Tundra
pickup truck and Sequoia SUV share the
same underpinning, but the Highlander
SUV and Camry sedan rely on a different
one.
Brian A. Johnson, auto analyst at
Barclays Capital, said the gas pedal
problem could reveal a danger of global
parts sourcing. "Toyota is known for
using the same parts design across
multiple cars and factories and
countries," he said, "which everyone is​
trying to emulate because it gives you
economies of scale. What this shows is
one of the risks of that strategy. When
something goes wrong, instead of a c
ouple-of-hundred-thousand-part
recall, you have a multiple-million-part
recall."
Tuesday's recall and sales suspension
covered the following models and model
years: the 2009-10 RAV4, 2009-10
Corolla, 2009-10 Matrix, 2005-10 Avalon,
2010 Highlander, 2007-10 Tundra, 2008-
10 Sequoia and certain 2007-10 Camry​
models.


 

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Ben Messier, general manager of
Antwerpen Toyota in Clarksville, said he
had just gotten word about the
automaker's decision and hadn't heard
from customers. Despite the extent of the problem, Messier said, such flaws have

been rare at Toyota, and he praised the
automaker for "getting out in front" of
the situation.


This statement amazes me - if by "Rare at Toyota" he means two of the last three years Toyota has recalled more vehicles than they have sold..... and by "Getting out in front" he means ignored until several families have perished prior to the manufacturer lifting a finger - I guess he's right on the money.


 

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Actually, Toyota was forced to stop selling those vehicles. It wasn't their decision.
They also released a statement telling the current owners to continue driving them!
I also heard there may be a coverup involved with this.
If that is the case, not good at all. :nono:
There were interviewing owners on the news tonight and ones said he may buy another brand such as a Honda.
How about buying a domestic car?
 

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How about buying a domestic car?
The part causing the recall was made in Canada.
 

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You can't feel enough sorrow or regret for the lost family members in unexpected events like a stuck accelerator. As far as Ford not doing enough recalls, don't buy it. After 15 years at dealers and seeing recalls from Escort ignition switches that burn up, serious, to Focus, A-pillar trim, that could hurt the passenger in a crash?, are you kidding?, recalls. My response to "so many recalls" was at least Ford cares enough to recall the cars ,try to keep their customers safe and admit there's a problem. I hope Toyota chokes on their floormat recall. And the owners feel safe driving to work tomorrow, while those with good sense will rent a Focus or a Mustang to drive and wait for their Toyota to be repaired before they trade them in for a domestic car.
 

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The part causing the recall was made in Canada.
Which part causing the recall would that be? The last I heard, they didn't know what was causing it.

Canada builds American cars, they don't have their own automobile.
 

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Which part causing the recall would that be? The last I heard, they didn't know what was causing it.

Canada builds American cars, they don't have their own automobile.

CTV News | Ontario-made part causes major Toyota headache

I talked to the parts and service mgr of a very large Toyota dealership Thursday and they are in the dark. All they've been told about this is that to give the customer a free inspection of the assembly in question. They have NEVER had a problem or complaint regarding a sticking throttle from a customer and as you might imagine this is the topic of the day. They also said that every dealership they've contacted have NEVER had a single complaint or service issue regarding this issue.

IMHO, the folks and sponsors that relish the thought of a black mark on Toyota's reputation hoping to advance their business and reputation through disinformation and rumor should be ashamed of themselves. At the least it is dishonest!
 

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I find it hard to believe it is a sticky accelerator pedal. Since there have been reports of "surges"

Toyota Supplier Says Sticky Gas Pedals Not the Problem - ABC News
Runaway Toyotas



"I think the bulk of the problems we're seeing have nothing to do with some kind of accelerator pedal or with the floor mats," safety expert Sean Kane told ABC News. "It has to do with other components in these vehicles, most likely in the electronics." Kane is with Safety Research & Strategies, a private auto safety firm in Rehoboth, Massachusetts.
Reports of the runaway Toyotas surged after the company began to use tiny computers to control acceleration, and as Toyota appeared to put more emphasis on cost cutting and less on its famed quality control.
 

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This recall was never about floor mats.....that was caused by after market mats installed by the consumer...completely separate issue!

The Toyota throttle is electronically controlled. That could explain the supposed surge issue.

Toyota has been mute on the issue for good reason....remember the hit Ford took on the Explorer rollover fiasco?
 

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Cover up is not a good thing; remember Firestone.
 

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Cover up is not a good thing; remember Firestone.

Ya I remember that. Firestone blaming Ford :laugh: I thought it was funny when it wasn't Fords problem. They realized that after they had problems with the bigger trucks... the F-series, Excursion.. and I'm not sure about Expedition but I don't think that one was involved. I'll never buy Firestone/Bridgestone, junk tires IMHO

Firestone Tire and Rubber Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy
 

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CTV News | Ontario-made part causes major Toyota headache

I talked to the parts and service mgr of a very large Toyota dealership Thursday and they are in the dark. All they've been told about this is that to give the customer a free inspection of the assembly in question. They have NEVER had a problem or complaint regarding a sticking throttle from a customer and as you might imagine this is the topic of the day. They also said that every dealership they've contacted have NEVER had a single complaint or service issue regarding this issue.

IMHO, the folks and sponsors that relish the thought of a black mark on Toyota's reputation hoping to advance their business and reputation through disinformation and rumor should be ashamed of themselves. At the least it is dishonest!
Are you kidding me? Is this "Very Large Toyota Dealership" located in a cave? Point out a single instance where I have said something dishonest. You obviously don't know me. Your evidence indicates that the parts manager you spoke to doesn't know anything nor does anyone he spoke to...sounds like pretty solid evidence to get these Toyotas back on the road and cancel this entire "Recall nonesense"... Here is more logic like yours: I drove on VERY BUSY ROADS all through the 1980's and I never saw a single Explorer laying upside down - does that prove that there wasn't a problem with the Explorer / Firestone?
Owned Seven Explorers and never flipped one... don't know anyone that did either, but based on the media coverage, the highways should have been littered with them.

Toyota has publicly lied about many of their shortcomings - including this most recent news - and FINALLY, someone in the Federal government is calling them out on it... like this November comment about Toyota from NHSTA:

But the NHTSA took issue with how Toyota worded its warnings. The agency released a statement Wednesday accusing the world's largest automaker of sending a letter to owners with "inaccurate and misleading information." from CNN.com November 4th

Perhaps this is a corporate culture that Toyota lives in:

Automaker Toyota has been charged in a class action suit with illegally hiding evidence from plaintiffs in cases stemming from highway deaths and injuries across the U.S. from CBS.com August 31st

Toyota will hide from the slightest misstep as evidenced by their handling of the world famous "Toyota Engine Sludge"

Consumers saddled with sludge-clogged Toyota engines may soon get some help from the Japanese auto giant under the terms of a class-action lawsuit settlement that covers roughly 3.5 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles damaged by engine oil sludge. from ConsumerAffairs.com January 2007.

I could continue with more details about the Toyota executives that are facing the Japaneese equivalent of Federal indictment regarding their cover up of critical details that led to several deaths in Japan from fractured steering columns. Or serious design flaws in "The Truck That's Changing it All"

or like you, I could call the REAL SOURCE OF ALL KNOWLEDGE, the Parts Manager at "A VERY LARGE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP" and get the straight facts. Give me a brake!

On a side note, we are building a decelleration lane at the store, much like the set up found on mountain decents for semi-trucks. That way, we will be able to provide a place for Toyota owners to safely pull in when they want to trade in their cars.
 
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