My friend has a 2009 civic si and I have never had a problem beating him and my v6 is pretty much stock.. maybe he just sucks at driving, but I own him from stop and rolling (30-40 mph)
I have the K&N CAI and the SCT Tuner on 93 tune... Night and Day from stock... The JLT has more HP output though than the K&N so you should pull a bit harder than mine.
Has anyone had any head/ cam work done? A guy ran low 13's at the track and I was reading his posts about it and he really didn't have a crazy amount of stuff done for those times. With nitrous he ran lower 12's
LOVE the CAI and tuner.... what a differance in the car. Throttle lag is gone. With the 87 performance you get better throttle response, better shifting but the car is still fairly docile. I have the 91 Performance and the 91 Race.. the 91P doesn't get used very much by me.. but the 91R... Good God.. Everything about that tune is awesome for me... shifts are a little hard but I've gotten used to them. Leave the line and chirp when shifting into second. The R tune is visceral... makes the car really scream.
I drive a 2005 Honda Oddesy with a Vtec engine for work. When you floor it and it Vtec's you feel it. It's not a joke.
Plus isn't the same technology in the new 5.0 under the name or "Variable Valve Timing"? I thought the point of it was to extend the torque curve to higher RPM's. I'm not being passive-aggressive either, I'm honestly asking the question :winks
I have the K&N CAI and the SCT Tuner on 93 tune... Night and Day from stock... The JLT has more HP output though than the K&N so you should pull a bit harder than mine.
87 tune I felt nothing different... Never installed 89 so I cant say anything here and 93 will wow you. The CAI removes the few spots of lag while accelerating... It keeps a smoother acceleration and the SCT tuner just overall changes your cars throttle response.
i say a stock 4.0 vs a stock si, the si will win everytime unless theres a driver error. vtec is the best thing honda ever did to there motors, its a 50hp push at a certain rpm range.
The JLT and SCT combo is great, it will really wake your car up. Use the highest octane available in your area. Yes, the 5.0 (as well as the 4.6, 5.4 and 3.7) use similar technology to VTEC. It works by using different lobes on the camshaft to hold the intake and exhaust valves open longer. When you reach a certain RPM, a soleniod engages moving the camshaft to use the more aggressive lobes. Depending on the engine, it kicks in anywhere between 3000 and 5000 rpm, and yes it is meant to increase power at the upper RPM's.
I don't know but in my opinion I think it'll be a close call between the two, but off the line I think that the V6 will have a headstart, the Si may catch up, I know it's lighter than the V6.. Don't know.. haven't raced one yet...
I don't know but in my opinion I think it'll be a close call between the two, but off the line I think that the V6 will have a headstart, the Si may catch up, I know it's lighter than the V6.. Don't know.. haven't raced one yet...
I have a Manual Transmission so it didnt affect my shifts at all... But if you have an automatic it will be like having a shift kit from my understand and will snap harder into gear... But I have no experience with Automatics (never owned one....)
On my manual what it changed was the acceleration. There is a lag in the stock 4.0 setup... You may not notice it all now without the tune and never driving one with the tune but once you install the race tune you will understand what I am saying. The CAI also removes some of the throttle lag.
Basically the s197 Mustang has a computerized accelerator... Back in the day (making myself feel old saying that) you used to be able to grab the throttle linkage from under the hood and rev your car... If you try to find the throttle linkage on yours you will waste hours of your time... its all computerized. That said Ford sets it to a "Average Driver" setting that should make anyone like the ride. (also why CAIs, Lowering Springs and other such mods dont come stock). They produce the cars to ride smooth, quiet and comfortable for the average user. The throttle response is tame stock... very tame....
My car pulls much like a stock GT that was the other car I was optioning buying when I got my v6. Of course its still not as fast as the GT but honestly behind the wheel its hard to tell the difference... When your on the track you will see the v6 shortcomings but I dont race so that doesnt matter... I just like the feel...
I have a Manual Transmission so it didnt affect my shifts at all... But if you have an automatic it will be like having a shift kit from my understand and will snap harder into gear... But I have no experience with Automatics (never owned one....)
On my manual what it changed was the acceleration. There is a lag in the stock 4.0 setup... You may not notice it all now without the tune and never driving one with the tune but once you install the race tune you will understand what I am saying. The CAI also removes some of the throttle lag.
Basically the s197 Mustang has a computerized accelerator... Back in the day (making myself feel old saying that) you used to be able to grab the throttle linkage from under the hood and rev your car... If you try to find the throttle linkage on yours you will waste hours of your time... its all computerized. That said Ford sets it to a "Average Driver" setting that should make anyone like the ride. (also why CAIs, Lowering Springs and other such mods dont come stock). They produce the cars to ride smooth, quiet and comfortable for the average user. The throttle response is tame stock... very tame....
My car pulls much like a stock GT that was the other car I was optioning buying when I got my v6. Of course its still not as fast as the GT but honestly behind the wheel its hard to tell the difference... When your on the track you will see the v6 shortcomings but I dont race so that doesnt matter... I just like the feel...
Thank you for that. That was an awsome description of it and what it will do i have been questioning. Im so excited to see what it will do, i too alsohave a manual stang so its fun to drive
and i actually did try checking under the hood before thats funny i had no idea but thank you for that write up:grinroll:
along the subject of the computerized TB, anyone ever looked at the pedal? If you look up, there's a little box and enough wires to hold power for the Houston Main Computer Room. I tried to look for a cable for about ten seconds and realized... uh, yea, there's nothing here but a bunch of sensors... greeaaat. Just more sensors and wires I'll have to replace later..:nono:
also, why are people bringing new cars (the new civic) against older cars (05-10 mustang V6)? Its not a very good comparison in my opinion. A lot can change in five years with a car company. Take a look at just regular technology, every two years there's something completely new. Car companies can only take this as quick as they can. Comparing a 2011 civic with a 2008 4.0 isn't a good representation at all. Now, take the same technology and age then things are closer. Its like taking the 7.3L powerstroke and tuning it up and putting it against the brand new duramax and tuning it up. (I'm more diesel oriented, sorry) First of all, some companies have more aftermarket parts for certain manufacturers than others. I haven't looked simply because I don't need to, but I don't think there are nearly the options for upgrades for the 2011 3.7 DOHC as there are for the 05-10 4.0 SOHC. Just because aftermarket manufacturers need to run tests before they blow up cars. Whatever the case, I believe its more comparable to use the same year cars to represent the equal amount of technology and knowledge that goes into the actual production of the car. The 4.0 is a stud, either way you look at it. The 5.0 from twenty (?) years back had 225 horse. $500 and your 4.0 will be at least that without the V8 insurance. I may be going out on a limb here, but the reason I got the V6 is because well, I'm 20. There's no way I can afford to fuel a V8 and keep it insured. Daddy doesn't pay for everything for everyone and I'm one of the kids that might get help paying for a gasket replacement. Other than that, I'm on my own. College financial status doesn't help either. Sorry guys lol tmi..
also, why are people bringing new cars (the new civic) against older cars (05-10 mustang V6)? Its not a very good comparison in my opinion. A lot can change in five years with a car company. Take a look at just regular technology, every two years there's something completely new. Car companies can only take this as quick as they can. Comparing a 2011 civic with a 2008 4.0 isn't a good representation at all. Now, take the same technology and age then things are closer. Its like taking the 7.3L powerstroke and tuning it up and putting it against the brand new duramax and tuning it up. (I'm more diesel oriented, sorry) First of all, some companies have more aftermarket parts for certain manufacturers than others. I haven't looked simply because I don't need to, but I don't think there are nearly the options for upgrades for the 2011 3.7 DOHC as there are for the 05-10 4.0 SOHC. Just because aftermarket manufacturers need to run tests before they blow up cars. Whatever the case, I believe its more comparable to use the same year cars to represent the equal amount of technology and knowledge that goes into the actual production of the car. The 4.0 is a stud, either way you look at it. The 5.0 from twenty (?) years back had 225 horse. $500 and your 4.0 will be at least that without the V8 insurance. I may be going out on a limb here, but the reason I got the V6 is because well, I'm 20. There's no way I can afford to fuel a V8 and keep it insured. Daddy doesn't pay for everything for everyone and I'm one of the kids that might get help paying for a gasket replacement. Other than that, I'm on my own. College financial status doesn't help either. Sorry guys lol tmi..
I'm on the same boat with you with the car payments and anything I do with it. I paid mine off already so I figured I'd keep it and do all my fun stuff with it with it being the cheap way to go, and e reason I started this thread about the 4.0 agaianst a new si is because my buddy has one and we are going tondo a track meet soon to see how they compare, but besides that I see what you mean
Haha I guess it's just the thrill of knowing the unknown haha. It's great to finally have ordered the parts vie been looking at for so long and im feeling like after I get them it's going to be a baddddddnaddiction haha. Thank you though that information was the first to perfectly settle my mind:bigthumbsup now I'm bouncing off the walls excited about a.m.s quick shipping hahaha
I'm on the same boat with you with the car payments and anything I do with it. I paid mine off already so I figured I'd keep it and do all my fun stuff with it with it being the cheap way to go, and e reason I started this thread about the 4.0 agaianst a new si is because my buddy has one and we are going tondo a track meet soon to see how they compare, but besides that I see what you mean
That's my plan. Keep a V6 but put it up to V8 power with driveability and mileage. And yea, I can understand that :cooldude: I was just saying tech wise, its not exactly fair lol. got a little out of hand, my bad lol
That's my plan. Keep a V6 but put it up to V8 power with driveability and mileage. And yea, I can understand that :cooldude: I was just saying tech wise, its not exactly fair lol. got a little out of hand, my bad lol
A lot of people here have supercharged and none of them have regretted it. Cams are a little limited for the 4.0 so there isn't a ton of people who have done them. They will give you a noticeable gain on a n/a motor and a little more with f/i. Cam work is expensive for the amount of power you get. I would go f/i before looking at cams
The car breaths a little easier, not much of a difference as far as I can tell. I'm willing to bet it's one of the upgrades that you notice when its gone. Either way, if you're going F/I, don't get it lol. Most kits have a different inlet anyway. It all depends on your budget. I'm saving up for a s/c and have a lot of little bolt ons. You can see em in my signature. Eventually I'm doing a lot of cosmetics because its nearly pointless to supe up a V6. Unless you're willing to spend big bucks to make it a beast. But at the same time, a V8 can spend half the cost and have a car either equal or better.
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