tech should be anything having to do with work on the car itself, talk should be questions about the car. ex id numbers how much is this worth, whats my hp, what about these heads, questions of that nature. waycool.gif
***Very Important Poll: What Is The Definition Of Tech***
The rules regarding the Tech sections have been the cause of some friction lately, to put it mildly. This has been particularly true in the 2011+ GT and V6 sections, but concerns have arisen forum wide.
After consultation with the Site Administrators Ken and Sean, I have been given permission to post a poll and obtain feedback from the membership as to what the definition of "Tech" should be. When the poll closes, the totals will be tallied, and the definition that receives the most votes will be the definition that we, the staff, will use to decide if a particular thread will remain in the Tech section, or if it is to be moved to the corresponding Talk section for that particular era.
This poll will be open for 1 month and 1 month only, so please go ahead and vote forthwith to make sure that your voice is heard on this matter .
The last time the forum attempted a poll in this manner, only about 100 members voted, and when everything was tallied up and the decision was made then everyone came out of the woodwork to moan and complain, only to end up starting a war which ended up with them banned and in a new forum they started up.
It is because of this fact I have been granted double the time allotted for the previous poll, and I have also been granted permission to waive the rule about crossposting and I am posting this original post across every Talk and Tech section forum-wide, so that no one can claim that they never come out of their area and missed the poll.
You are encouraged to leave comments here. You may wish to discuss this matter with each other because it is you, the membership who are going to have final say on this matter. The only thing we ask is that the threads do not become an airing out of previous grievances as to why such and such thread got moved (etc) and that normal forum protocol be followed.
The poll itself will be a secret ballot so that no one will have to fear any retribution from the staff as because of the way they voted (not that there would be any, as the Site Administrators have agreed that the result of the poll will be the binding law of the land as to what a Tech thread is).
To reiterate, the results of this poll will be the final decision on this matter, and we will not be revisiting this issue again.
Thank you all for your attention in this very important matter, and as always if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask!
After consultation with the Site Administrators Ken and Sean, I have been given permission to post a poll and obtain feedback from the membership as to what the definition of "Tech" should be. When the poll closes, the totals will be tallied, and the definition that receives the most votes will be the definition that we, the staff, will use to decide if a particular thread will remain in the Tech section, or if it is to be moved to the corresponding Talk section for that particular era.
This poll will be open for 1 month and 1 month only, so please go ahead and vote forthwith to make sure that your voice is heard on this matter .
The last time the forum attempted a poll in this manner, only about 100 members voted, and when everything was tallied up and the decision was made then everyone came out of the woodwork to moan and complain, only to end up starting a war which ended up with them banned and in a new forum they started up.
It is because of this fact I have been granted double the time allotted for the previous poll, and I have also been granted permission to waive the rule about crossposting and I am posting this original post across every Talk and Tech section forum-wide, so that no one can claim that they never come out of their area and missed the poll.
You are encouraged to leave comments here. You may wish to discuss this matter with each other because it is you, the membership who are going to have final say on this matter. The only thing we ask is that the threads do not become an airing out of previous grievances as to why such and such thread got moved (etc) and that normal forum protocol be followed.
The poll itself will be a secret ballot so that no one will have to fear any retribution from the staff as because of the way they voted (not that there would be any, as the Site Administrators have agreed that the result of the poll will be the binding law of the land as to what a Tech thread is).
To reiterate, the results of this poll will be the final decision on this matter, and we will not be revisiting this issue again.
Thank you all for your attention in this very important matter, and as always if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask!
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First off, thank you very much for the poll. I hope there's a larger member participation this time around.
I've always felt that "tech" (short for technical, right?) shouldn't be limited to hands on tool advice, but that it should encompass questions or advice of a technical nature regarding a specific model - GT or V6.
Here's one of my favorite forums, albeit populated with more than it's fair share of d-bags, it's sections are very well organized and anyone initially looking at it, shouldn't have too much of an issue figuring out where their thread should be posted to. Just food for thought, if you guys were going to do a bit of re-vamping.
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Regardless, thanks again for the work and for this poll.
I've always felt that "tech" (short for technical, right?) shouldn't be limited to hands on tool advice, but that it should encompass questions or advice of a technical nature regarding a specific model - GT or V6.
Here's one of my favorite forums, albeit populated with more than it's fair share of d-bags, it's sections are very well organized and anyone initially looking at it, shouldn't have too much of an issue figuring out where their thread should be posted to. Just food for thought, if you guys were going to do a bit of re-vamping.
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Regardless, thanks again for the work and for this poll.
I feel both options to vote on are tech. The first item more than the second. Diagnosis/troubleshooting is tech to me too. Just my opinion.
I agree; both options are tech. Talk is which wheels, headers, etc... Or look at my new vinyl stripe, when should I shift, etc...
Totally agree with this.First off, thank you very much for the poll. I hope there's a larger member participation this time around.
I've always felt that "tech" (short for technical, right?) shouldn't be limited to hands on tool advice, but that it should encompass questions or advice of a technical nature regarding a specific model - GT or V6.
"How I installed my CAI with pics" and "Trying to install my CAI , do I need this screw?" should be in tech.
I'm glad to see the mods/admins taking an active role here and keeping the site enjoyable for all, thanks! bravo.gif
Right, both options were meant to be tech, with option 1 being more restrictive than option 2.
There is a 100 character limit for the poll questions so after I got them all typed up I had to eviscerate both of them to make them fit. A vote for option 2 is, in fact, a vote for both. Voting for option 2 means less threads getting moved to talk. Voting for option 1 means that everything but "How do I remove my engine?" or "What tools do I need to do a gear swap?" (etc) gets moved to talk.
There is a 100 character limit for the poll questions so after I got them all typed up I had to eviscerate both of them to make them fit. A vote for option 2 is, in fact, a vote for both. Voting for option 2 means less threads getting moved to talk. Voting for option 1 means that everything but "How do I remove my engine?" or "What tools do I need to do a gear swap?" (etc) gets moved to talk.
I sort of agree with you, because they could be split that way. But that might thin things out too much and/or cause more havoc for everyone.Don't shoot the new guy, but maybe if the forums were renamed it could be a little easier? Such as:
"2011+ Mustang Aftermarket" - Any discussion related to the aftermarket enhancement of 2011+ Mustang.
"2011+ Mustang Tech" - Any problem/question or discussion of the 2011+ Mustang.
Just a couple ideas.
As for my ideas about solely talk/tech.. To me there is quite a large grey area. Yes, there is black and there is white but I feel like there could be lots of things that could really be either or. For the sake of this poll I chose option two because I don't consider talking about a broken part just talk.
I just looked at the new poll and wish they had more choices. It sort of forces you to one answer. Asking about head CCs and such is really a technical thing. I do think how much is this worth type questions should be in talk.
I like your definitions. It does leave some gray area but I would be confident enough in the Moderators/Admins to make a discretionary call and either move it or leave it.My way to try and break it down:
Tech - questions and discussions you'd likely bring up to your mechanic.
E.g. "My power steering pump is whining after replacing steering rack", "My steering suddenly pulls hard to the right", "I was installing a supercharger and can't figure out what to do in this step of the installation" and similar questions.
Talk - questions and discussions you'd have with friends or folks at other venues (car shows, club meets, etc).
E.g. "Trying to decide between several wheels (or deciding between any other part(s) for that matter)", "What's your favorite upgrade", "Which tuner is better" and other similar questions.
Granted this leaves a bit of a grey area... what about questions like "how can I improve fuel economy?"... that could technically fall into either category.
In a case like this I'd say it's tech if it's a "My car suddenly dropped from 18mpg to 8mpg" type of situation but talk if it's a "I'm looking for upgrades/changes that could help increase my fuel economy" type of question/discussion.
Thanks to the Admins/Mods to be willing to visit this issue. I personally have never been a "victim" of this subject but the fact that we, as forum, are always looking for ways to improve the memeber experience is a very good thing!
EDIT: I voted for option 2.
I agree they are both tech, just different aspects of tech. Talk is if you will be going to the xxxxx meet next week and could you meet me there.
Why would the subtle difference between 1 & 2 cause anyone heartburn to begin with?
Why would the subtle difference between 1 & 2 cause anyone heartburn to begin with?
I do agree with some others here but my opinion is:
Tech = how to...... install this or remove that, change this or modify that, etc.
Talk = what suspension should I install, what axle back, etc.; basically anything Mustang related that is not Tech.
Everyone here will have a different opinion and these are mine.
Now you guys need to convince our members and guests to follow the guidelines for each section!!!!
Tech = how to...... install this or remove that, change this or modify that, etc.
Talk = what suspension should I install, what axle back, etc.; basically anything Mustang related that is not Tech.
Everyone here will have a different opinion and these are mine.
Now you guys need to convince our members and guests to follow the guidelines for each section!!!!
I agree with this statement, but...I feel both options to vote on are tech. The first item more than the second. Diagnosis/troubleshooting is tech to me too. Just my opinion.
...As has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread so far, there can be some grey area. In light of that and to create a firmer definition, I'm voting option # 1. Besides, is it really that big of a deal to have your "grey" thread moved over to Talk? I suppose you could call a question about lug nut torque a "Tech" section question, but imo I really consider things like running and driveability issues to be more truly of a technical nature and would consider a grey question like I just posed to fall into the "Talk" end of things. Let Tech be Tech, and think of Talk as more like the Diet Coke equivelant of Tech, and you can discuss your stripes and whatever there too.Right, both options were meant to be tech, with option 1 being more restrictive than option 2.
There is a 100 character limit for the poll questions so after I got them all typed up I had to eviscerate both of them to make them fit. A vote for option 2 is, in fact, a vote for both. Voting for option 2 means less threads getting moved to talk. Voting for option 1 means that everything but "How do I remove my engine?" or "What tools do I need to do a gear swap?" (etc) gets moved to talk.
That said, I'm not familiar with the issues that have been occurring in the 2011 sections, and for the most part I don't see it happen too much in the 96-04 4.6 section. Most of the misplaced threads that end up there in either Talk or Tech usually have to do with incorrect generation (S197) 4.6 cars - the sections are labeled pretty clearly imo on the main forums page, so I don't know what more you could do about that, it's just gonna happen once in a while I guess.
I agree with this. The more limited you make the tech section, the less usefull it will be and the less people will post in it.I will try not to regurgitate what has already been said. IMO. Tech goes farther than just discussion on hands on / tools involved instances.
For example, someone asking for feed back on superchargers and product comparisons, can legitimately be in tech, when the discussion includes, how the parts and units fit, how well they function, time to install, what is required for install tool wise, instruction manuals etc etc etc.
I feel discussions of that nature are a lot different than ones involving questions such as is a supercharger worth it? do you have any regrets for getting one? how do you like your Procharger ? etc etc etc.
Again, IMO, ANY discussion that includes ANY aspect of an installation, function, or product quality/ craftsmanship etc etc etc, is indeed a technical discussion.
With regards to discussions pertaining to factory components and or entire vehicles, the same applies. Talking about installing wheels and tires , is technically comparable to as actually installing them. Again, Im not talking about discussing tire sizes, wheel types or makes, etc etc etc . Im talking about a discussion that involves actually taking a wheel / tire combination off, and putting it back on. And as will most if not all "hands" on situations, planning, reading, preparation etc, is usually required.
When I taught Manufacturing and Design Technology , there was often a whole lot of technical discussion/ instruction and academic preparation required before actually booting up the computers, or powering up the machinery.
So, in my books ANYTHING that involves a practical application which would include required information/ preparation leading up to and finally getting to the hands on part, is technical. :smartass:
Well with the new 2011+ mustang section I know that there is no V6 Talk section therefore the sixers feel that they do not have a talk section for their specific issues which do not belong in the 2011+ talk section as they are 6 specific and the GT guys have zero imput. Maybe the 6 guys need their own Talk section so they can "talk" about axle backs, intakes, gears, tunes and the like.
Tech - troubleshooting / diagnosing / fixing
Talk - upgrading / appearance / comfort / opinions
Here is how I see that same "subject" possibly belonging in either section -
"My supercharger started doing this weird thing, what should I do" - to me, that's a Tech question
BUT
"My supercharger started doing this weird thing and I was wondering about switching to a turbo" - to me, that's a Talk question.
Both are related to the exact same issue - supercharger doing something different than it was before - but the nature of the two questions is different.
Here's another one -
"I want to buy 20" wheels, will these ones fit" - Tech
"I want to buy 20" wheels, what brand should I look at" - Talk
I posted this both here and there, so sorry if that is double-posting...
Talk - upgrading / appearance / comfort / opinions
Here is how I see that same "subject" possibly belonging in either section -
"My supercharger started doing this weird thing, what should I do" - to me, that's a Tech question
BUT
"My supercharger started doing this weird thing and I was wondering about switching to a turbo" - to me, that's a Talk question.
Both are related to the exact same issue - supercharger doing something different than it was before - but the nature of the two questions is different.
Here's another one -
"I want to buy 20" wheels, will these ones fit" - Tech
"I want to buy 20" wheels, what brand should I look at" - Talk
I posted this both here and there, so sorry if that is double-posting...
Honestly I think that both options fall into tech. At this level it seems a bit nit-picky. I would see talk as someone asking which interior color scheme would best go with my paint exc. But tech should cover things like which product is better (mechanical parts) to how do I do this or what do you think is going on with this.
The thing that I find irritating is say someone posting in an obviously wrong section. Like posting v6 questions in a v8 section or vise versa.
Another thing I would consider to be talk is questions like "with this setup how much hp will I gain"
I think the tech forums are trolled more because people want a fast answer and know that someone is on tech almost at all times.
Voted #2
The thing that I find irritating is say someone posting in an obviously wrong section. Like posting v6 questions in a v8 section or vise versa.
Another thing I would consider to be talk is questions like "with this setup how much hp will I gain"
I think the tech forums are trolled more because people want a fast answer and know that someone is on tech almost at all times.
Voted #2
Voted but they are both similar. #2 seems to be what I think of tech and is more inclusive. Talk is more shooting the breeze and seeking opinions or just wanting to chat about things.
Kudos to the Mods for a doing a great job on here. A thankless job to be sure...
Kudos to the Mods for a doing a great job on here. A thankless job to be sure...
I can't believe it's taken this long to get to this but appreciate you guys finally taking a look at it. Technical can be specifications like ideal AFR, timing etc. this can be helpful for when you're using tools like computers....not hand or power tools.t can also help to make a purchase decision. Technical can be comparisons on performance metrics between competing parts etc. it DS also include how to fix or install stuff.
i think both options fall into tech but the first option seems like a good idea for a "2011+Mustang DIY" section. Talk is questions like "should i go with 20% tint or 32%" and "what do you think about my vinyl stripes" etc etc
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