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Who do you think won? my Stroker GT vs. an STi

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Ok so I was out driving the other day, and out of nowhere I see a newer STi get behind me at a light, and so I get all excited because I havent raced one yet. So we turn the corner, and he guns it past me, and of course im like d*mn that thing is fast. So i go around the person in front of me, and get up to a stoplight with him. He looks over with a smirk on his face and nods his head like a "hey whats up?" So i nod back, and at this point, I have noticed a stock exhaust, so I assume its stock. Either way, his AWD will kill me off the line, so I decide to just chill with it. So the light goes green and he takes off, so Im thinkin to myself, ok well when he hits the speed limit, ill just catch up to him and go from a roll. Well he didnt slow down...
so here is where it all starts ...
he at this point is 3-4 car length in front of me, and pulling (partial throttle im assuming because im not flooring it yet...). So then i say well F that! and i hit it in 2nd, and then i realize he has hit it too, because his rear end drops! So im goin crazy because im finally racing an STi.
I still baby my TKO500 even after like 8k on it, so im a slow shifter, but about half way thru 3rd, i have matched his speed, and have started to pull up on him. by the end of 4th, my front bumper is at his rear bumper, and then i hit 5th (and with their high axle ratios, im assuming he is now in 5th too). so I go in 5th for a few seconds, and then by the time my front bumper gets to his front bumper, he hits his brakes. keep in mind we are up around 120mph at this point. So then i hit my brakes, and call it a victory.
So i call one of my friends and tell him I won, and he agreed, and said good job. then i call another friend, and hes like "u didnt get in front of him, so u lost, u got smashed by a stock STi!" to that, i say "wtf? i caught up to him and was right next to him and PULLING when he hit his brakes... so ho did i lose?" and he said well u were doing 120, and in a quarter mile u wouldnt be that fast, and u were still behind him, so u lost. so i say, but i started off 3-4 carlengths back, and then i closed it on him, so how did i lose?
of course, he doesnt let up because he just wants me to lose apparently. he agrees i had the potential to win but says "u lost this one tho, because u never got in front"
so then my other friend (who said i won) started to agree that i lost because "the STi hit his brakes, so he was acknoledging he won, and u should too. so i throw out this statement ... "so if u and i were out onthe road (and he has a cavalier) and u were 3-4 in front of me, and then i started to come up on u, and u hit ur brakes before i got there, does that mean u won?" so hes like good point ... u won, lol. so then the other friend is like "no way man, then i have beat u every time we raced (he has an AWD turbo talon) because u give up before i do, so i win then.
so i tell him hes an idiot because when him and i race, we are side by side, and when i hit my brakes, its because im in front of him and pulling still, so i obviously have one already. so he says no and that im an idiot, and that the STi won, and that he has beat me every time. and im like HOW?! the STi was in front of me, and i closed it up on him until i was right next to him and pulling, then he hit his brakes, so i win...
he says no way, then he wins all of our races, and again im like ... no ... its different cause we start out side by side, and the STi was 3-4 in front of me.
then a 3rd friend calls me, and he has a big16g FWD eclipse; and i tell him the story, and hes liek yea u won ... plus, hes like "i can stay right next to an STi, and that was with the stock turbo, and so now im faster ... and ur faster then me too, so yea, u would and did win"

Sorry that was so long ... but what do you guys think? Who wins? the car that was in front and going to start off with, or the car that was behind from the start, and then caught up before the one in front gave up?
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no i have a 342 stroker, probably with around 300+ to the wheels, so to me, it s a win ... especialyl considering if the STi and i had started side by side, i would have been ahead 3-4 lengths...
thanks :) my uncles car dynod 580 to the wheels, and he is now gettin about 50 more with larger fuel rails, and "a wiring harness." i dunno what the harness is for...but itll help apparently. The guy who did it was in MM&FF i believe like last june, hermann stolzenberg or something, from Horsepower by Hermann. He is currently in Crofton, MD, but hes about to move to FL somewhere :(

i havent riden in the 85 gt, but i bet its about the same as (if not faster than since its lighter than) the 04 mystichrome.

psfracer said:
Yoshi, I checked out your page....

Your uncle's cobra pushing 20psi is SICK, I wonder what that thing would do if he somehow found a tire that would allow him to launch! 740rwhp has got to be fun and a handfull.

The 85 GT with the 393 and 200hp nos set up I bet is pretty fast to. And nice camaro race car...the launch picture was sweet.

Looks like you put alot of time and effort on that, cool 8 pages!!
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tw0scoops123 said:
Those are some nice cobra's on cardomain site. Sometimes I wish I woulda gotten one, but they were just so hard to find "new" in '05 since most of the '04s were used.
it would have been worth buying a cobra ... they hit 10s with a stock block, and heads, and lower end ... basically a stock motor with just bolt ons ... AND itll be a daily driven 10 sec car
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so who won?
see i disagree, look at what i said before:
"so then my other friend (who said i won) started to agree that i lost because "the STi hit his brakes, so he was acknoledging he won, and u should too. so i throw out this statement ... "so if u and i were out onthe road (and he has a cavalier) and u were 3-4 in front of me, and then i started to come up on u, [and then got front bumper to front bumper with you as i continued to be pulling] and u hit ur brakes before i got there, does that mean u won [just because you WERE in front of me, even tho i started off BEHIND u] ?" so hes like good point ... u won, lol"

does that mean that the cavalier would win because he ended first? no ...

in my opinion, i was pulling on him when i was right on his ass, and then he realized it and gave up
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timberlane_2003 said:
i think the sti is kinda of punk for not slow down so you could get a fair run but i wouldnt say it was lost for you or a win for him but if i had to choose between the two i would say you won i dont shut down until the other car stops pulling or if i see a cop lol that only way you can doing it but u should just wait until you meet up with a sti again but if he had 4 cars on you and you pulled i would say you would kill one pretty good
exactly ... its nice to see someone finally agree with me using common sense lol
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Once you line up with a guy, especially going around somebody to get there usually means ITS ON..... He didnt react fast enough & the guy in the STI took advantage of it...... His a$$ got caught sleep'n
actually i wouldnt say i got caught "sleeping." any AWD guy knows he has the advantage off the line, so there would be no such thing as "caught sleeping." He got in front of me and never slowed down, thats y i floored it to catch up in the first place, because i WANTED a fair race. But i know that with my set up, even if i didnt have a good launch, i would have beat him if we both went from the line, so it doesnt matter.

if anyone knows the guy, it is a like 04-06 white STi in the crofton, MD area. I will go again just to prove i am more then capable of winning. the debate in this forum, however, is whether i won that race or not, since i caught up on a 3-4 length lead, and was tied at the end. Now, common sense and basic physics would tell u that if we started from a roll next to each other, i would have been ahead 3-4 lengths.

so basically, i call it a victory, but i dont see how ppl say i lost because "i want ahead of him at the end." i agree on the ricer flyby comparisson, if he REALLY wanted to race and thought he stood a chance or even would win, then he would have let me get next to him from the start. so basically, im calling him out saying hes a coward for not letting me get there, since he KNEW from a dig he would get the advantage, and most RWD ppl around here, espcially on cold days, wont go from a dig vs. a 300hp AWD turbo
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when it is 40 degrees outside, and I am driving on over 300 whp with bald nittos, there is no going head to head from a light. Anyone with that much power knows you need better tires to get even a decent launch. Even with UCA/LCA, eibach springs, and the nittos, (and adj koni yellows on the lightest setting), i can spin 3rd if im not careful. THAT is why I didn't go from the light. Yeah I guess I see what ppl are saying with the "rung what you brung," and I agree ... but if it was me that took off like that, and I was that far ahead, and I saw that the person I was racing wasnt pushing it, then I would slow down and go from a roll, and then maybe talk to them and be like "hey u want to go from a stop at the light?" or "hey nice race, wanna go again?" Thats what happened when I still had stock gears, and I raced the most incredible sleeper 240sx sr20 turbo swap ever. We saw each other on the road, and he came up, and we both hit it, and he stayed right with me (with my granny shifting cause im a sissy on my tranny). Then when we got up to a light, he rolled down his window and said "hey thats a really nice car man, I thought I would have had you, Ive never lost to a mustang!" Then I followed him and we chatted some more before going our seperate ways.
I guess it really just depends on the integrity of the person behind the other wheel...

So I guess you can say I didn't "win" the race ... but acknoledging how much I pulled up on him, I can agree with my friend saying "[I had] the potential to win, and still do, but in that 'race,' nobody won since didnt go from the light, and he didnt wait for the run from a roll"
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Gro_oms said:
I say you won. I mean you said that you was going to catch up and go from a roll at the speed limit, so that means you wasn't on it all the way, then when you saw that he wasn't slowing you hit it and CAUGHT him even when he had a humongous advantage with the head start and was on the verge of passing him. He might of hit the brakes know that you was about to own him and hit them to say that he won. There is no finish line on the street so it could have keep on going. So in my book you WON hands down.
you and I are on the same page :worship
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psfracer said:
When I was alot younger than I am now...I street raced...and there was always a finish line. Otherwise, the person with the highest top speed would win everytime. What, you want to race from Barstow to Vegas?? Of course there is a finish line...unless you are into the "fast and the furious" lets race through traffic and whoever is the craziest wins bullsh*t. The people who think there are no finish lines are also the ones who flyby you when the race has already ended.

Yoshi, it shouldn't bother you, like you said, you pulled on him 3-4 cars. If your nittos suck, get new ones, and you and I both know you won't have any trouble next time...
yea i do need to replace my tires, but i might try the MT Street Radials ... just to try them out ... but itll suck in the rain i think ...

there isnt always a finish line in this area ... its usually more of a lets get thru traffic and then see who is faster in the straight away. you can usually tell by about 5-10 seconds in who is faster on these streets.
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fast66 said:
I've just wasted 15 minutes of my life on this:sterb:
It was obvious what this thread was about from the first post ... so if you didnt like it, why did you read it all?

Either way, what I have taken away from this is that although I may not have won this one, I would definitely win one if we started side by side, or even from a dig :sterb:
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blackened said:
had they both started from that roll lined up evenly yoshi would have put 4 lengths on him by 120. yoshi is teh win!!!
see thats what I said from the beginning...
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