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Who do you think won? my Stroker GT vs. an STi

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Ok so I was out driving the other day, and out of nowhere I see a newer STi get behind me at a light, and so I get all excited because I havent raced one yet. So we turn the corner, and he guns it past me, and of course im like d*mn that thing is fast. So i go around the person in front of me, and get up to a stoplight with him. He looks over with a smirk on his face and nods his head like a "hey whats up?" So i nod back, and at this point, I have noticed a stock exhaust, so I assume its stock. Either way, his AWD will kill me off the line, so I decide to just chill with it. So the light goes green and he takes off, so Im thinkin to myself, ok well when he hits the speed limit, ill just catch up to him and go from a roll. Well he didnt slow down...
so here is where it all starts ...
he at this point is 3-4 car length in front of me, and pulling (partial throttle im assuming because im not flooring it yet...). So then i say well F that! and i hit it in 2nd, and then i realize he has hit it too, because his rear end drops! So im goin crazy because im finally racing an STi.
I still baby my TKO500 even after like 8k on it, so im a slow shifter, but about half way thru 3rd, i have matched his speed, and have started to pull up on him. by the end of 4th, my front bumper is at his rear bumper, and then i hit 5th (and with their high axle ratios, im assuming he is now in 5th too). so I go in 5th for a few seconds, and then by the time my front bumper gets to his front bumper, he hits his brakes. keep in mind we are up around 120mph at this point. So then i hit my brakes, and call it a victory.
So i call one of my friends and tell him I won, and he agreed, and said good job. then i call another friend, and hes like "u didnt get in front of him, so u lost, u got smashed by a stock STi!" to that, i say "wtf? i caught up to him and was right next to him and PULLING when he hit his brakes... so ho did i lose?" and he said well u were doing 120, and in a quarter mile u wouldnt be that fast, and u were still behind him, so u lost. so i say, but i started off 3-4 carlengths back, and then i closed it on him, so how did i lose?
of course, he doesnt let up because he just wants me to lose apparently. he agrees i had the potential to win but says "u lost this one tho, because u never got in front"
so then my other friend (who said i won) started to agree that i lost because "the STi hit his brakes, so he was acknoledging he won, and u should too. so i throw out this statement ... "so if u and i were out onthe road (and he has a cavalier) and u were 3-4 in front of me, and then i started to come up on u, and u hit ur brakes before i got there, does that mean u won?" so hes like good point ... u won, lol. so then the other friend is like "no way man, then i have beat u every time we raced (he has an AWD turbo talon) because u give up before i do, so i win then.
so i tell him hes an idiot because when him and i race, we are side by side, and when i hit my brakes, its because im in front of him and pulling still, so i obviously have one already. so he says no and that im an idiot, and that the STi won, and that he has beat me every time. and im like HOW?! the STi was in front of me, and i closed it up on him until i was right next to him and pulling, then he hit his brakes, so i win...
he says no way, then he wins all of our races, and again im like ... no ... its different cause we start out side by side, and the STi was 3-4 in front of me.
then a 3rd friend calls me, and he has a big16g FWD eclipse; and i tell him the story, and hes liek yea u won ... plus, hes like "i can stay right next to an STi, and that was with the stock turbo, and so now im faster ... and ur faster then me too, so yea, u would and did win"

Sorry that was so long ... but what do you guys think? Who wins? the car that was in front and going to start off with, or the car that was behind from the start, and then caught up before the one in front gave up?
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tw0scoops123 said:
Well, from what I know, the STI is slightly faster than the GT, so there is no dignity lost if you didnt technically "win". Sounds like you didnt get an even take off. Although during a roll, that eliminates the advantage of having AWD, so a GT should be able to take one with all that torque.
Edit: Oh wait you don't have any '05...nevermind, I don't know how your car performs i nthat respect. I was talking from an '05 perspective :)
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With his mods, he would crap all over your 05, roll or dig. STI, guys, quit downing yourselfs on these cars ie the SRT-4's, EVO's, STI's, they are no joke, and mod for mod, ANY Mustang GT will see tail's with these cars.
From a roll is the only chance IF, BIG IF, you have some FI(nitrous). If not, expect to see the back of them, sorry.
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Sephiroth03 said:
With his mods, he would crap all over your 05, roll or dig. STI, guys, quit downing yourselfs on these cars ie the SRT-4's, EVO's, STI's, they are no joke, and mod for mod, ANY Mustang GT will see tail's with these cars.
From a roll is the only chance IF, BIG IF, you have some FI(nitrous). If not, expect to see the back of them, sorry.
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I beat them all day long at the tracks I go to.....but I have n20....but they have a turbo....the debate could go on and on. But no stock sti or evo will even come close to a 12.30. And I 60' faster then the AWD because I hit the N20 right out of the hole (its activated at WOT) ...60' a 1.79 on street tires, auto with stock converter.
I will agree with you on one thing though...you have to respect those cars...very fast completely stock. I do think a stock EVO will beat a stock GT any day of the week. I agree except for the srt-4. I see many run at the track, and while they mph very good (one that was modded I saw ran 112mph), their 60 foots suck (I would imagine turbo lag or something). That same srt4 that ran 112 mph only had an et of 13.15.
And also, no matter what you have...there is always someone out there that is faster. I am sure that there are plenty of modded evos and sti's that can run well below a 12.30.
But in the end each race stands alone. No one can say this car is faster than that car until you know all the mods, so I disagree with the statement mod for mod we would see tailights. A turbo on a 4.6 is insane, just look what they are running. .
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timberlane_2003 said:
i think the sti is kinda of punk for not slow down so you could get a fair run but i wouldnt say it was lost for you or a win for him but if i had to choose between the two i would say you won i dont shut down until the other car stops pulling or if i see a cop lol that only way you can doing it but u should just wait until you meet up with a sti again but if he had 4 cars on you and you pulled i would say you would kill one pretty good
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exactly ... its nice to see someone finally agree with me using common sense lol
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FunkyBoss said:
True a stock Z06 runs high 11's in the 1/4, but its also a $65k car, in a totally different league than the Mustang and STI. I also agree with Austin, why is he a punk for not letting up, I know I wouldn't. He is a punk for driving an STI though :laughlitt .
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I'm not talking about the new C6 Z06. That is a mid to high 11 sec car at 123-125mph for $65K+. I'm talking about the 02-04 Z06 which can actually be had for $3X K, used. Local dealership had one (03) for $35K with 7000 miles. Here you go and then back on track:

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Z06 Bone Stock and Stock CAI/DOT legal Tires

Ranger------1.64x 60'--11.52x @ 120.21--11/04--CAI/DR ('02) Run Video Time Slip
J-rod--------1.675 60'--11.596 @ 118.53--xx/xx--Zip Tie/DR ('02)
fergy flyer---1.67x 60'--11.5xx @ 118.xx--02/05--CAI/DR ('02)
J-Rod--------1.767 60'--11.606 @ 117.95--xx/xx--ZipTie ('02)
Dr Ron-------1.68x 60'--11.622 @ 119.03--10/04--CAI/DR ('03) Run Video
eb02z06------1.671 60'-11.656 @ 117.75-10/02--CAI ('02) Time Slip
Power Shifter-1.645 60'--11.659 @ 116.97--10/02--CAI/DR
Dr.Ron-------1.711 60'--11.67x @ 119.3x--10/03--CAI ('03) Time Slip
BLU BY U ----1.65x 60'--11.694 @ 116.56--12/02--CAI/DR ('02)
Robert56-----1.653 60'--11.711 @ 115.53--06/05--CAI/DR ('02) Time Slip
Steve Row----1.66x 60'--11.756 @ 116.87--xx/xx-CAI/DR
Vai------------1.xxx 60'--11.781 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
J-Rod --------1.818 60'--11.783 @ 116.90--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Ranger -------1.78x 60'--11.818 @ 117.26--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02) Time Slip
Butcher-------1.77x 60'--11.82x @ 118.8x--10/01--CAI ('02)
427CPE-------1.668 60'--11.850 @ 116.42--06/05--DR ('02)
mike c.--------1.7xx 60'--11.88x @ 118.xx--10/05--Bias-ply
L98Terror-----1.702 60'--11.930 @ 113.98--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
zular----------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 116.90--xx/xx--CAI
Esoteric-------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 119.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
dr.juice-------1.675 60'--11.942 @ 114.78--07/05--ET's ('03)
phantasms----1.xxx 60'--11.945 @ 117.71--xx/xx--ZipTie Mod
Ranger--------1.823 60'--11.947 @ 116.65--12/01--CAI/DR ('01) Time Slip
Z06addikt-----1.xxx 60'--11.949 @ 117.61--xx/xx--CAI/DR
Cyric----------1.747 60'--11.966 @ 116.81--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
GMHTP--------1.90x 60'--11.97x @ 118.80--03/04--Bone Stock ('04)
BlueZ06-------1.74x 60'--11.97x @ 117.97--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('03)
COUTO1981---1.74x 60'--11.97x @ 117.97--xx/xx--DR ('03)
02 Z06 Racer -1.xxx 60'--11.99x @ 117.61--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
pwrshfd-------1.866 60'--12.048 @ 115.92--12/03--Bone Stock ('02)
rbartick-------1.900 60'--12.049 @ 117.4x--11/03--CAI('02)
MVR 155------1.80x 60'--12.07x @ 114.14--10/05--CAI ('02)
Pray----------1.83x 60'--12.08x @ 115.95--01/06--Bone Stock ('02)
UVETTA-------1.79x 60'--12.09x @ xxx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
Ranger--------1.856 60'--12.145 @ 115.85--09/01--CAI ('01) Time Slip
Nat04Z06-----1.91x 60'--12.205 @ 117.96--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('04)
Chicago Z06 --1.xxx 60'--12.20x @ 118.00--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('02)
Blue Angle-----1.87x 60'--12.21 @ 112.xx--07/04--Bone Stock ('02)
holedgr--------1.77x 60' 12.22 @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
KrisR----------1.877 60'--12.269 @ 115.38--xx/xx--DR ('02)
Mike69--------1.964 60'--12.280 @ 116.07--xx/xx--CAI ('01) Run Video
My1stZ--------2.0xx 60'--12.2xx @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
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Guess I was wrong, it is possible to hit 11.50's with minor mods on these cars.
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to me that just as bad as a ricer fly by if your going to race do it right i dont know what your version of a drag race is but mine is when both cars aware of the race and they both leave at around the same time so to me sti should have done a ricer fly be and call it good because he didnt really want to see who was faster or he would have slow down and let him catch to get a fair race
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timberlane_2003 said:
to me that just as bad as a ricer fly by if your going to race do it right i dont know what your version of a drag race is but mine is when both cars aware of the race and they both leave at around the same time so to me sti should have done a ricer fly be and call it good because he didnt really want to see who was faster or he would have slow down and let him catch to get a fair race
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Yoshi went around a car to line up with the STI, the also made eye contact.
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95MGTS said:
I'm not talking about the new C6 Z06. That is a mid to high 11 sec car at 123-125mph for $65K+.
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They put $35k dealer mark up & people are buy'n em........I heard that goes for all the dealership in the US....... Thats some crazy sh!t....
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yeah yoshi does get beside him but he doesnt take off so when you get beside some one and they drive normal do you assume there racing or not
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timberlane_2003 said:
yeah yoshi does get beside him but he doesnt take off so when you get beside some one and they drive normal do you assume there racing or not
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Once you line up with a guy, especially going around somebody to get there usually means ITS ON..... He didnt react fast enough & the guy in the STI took advantage of it...... His a$$ got caught sleep'n
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austin i see were you coming from but if he doesnt take off i would assume he wasnt racing and then if i saw him try to catch up i would slow down to get a solid run thats just me though if i race i want to go all out
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timberlane_2003 said:
austin i see were you coming from but if he doesnt take off i would assume he wasnt racing and then if i saw him try to catch up i would slow down to get a solid run thats just me though if i race i want to go all out
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If he woulda slowed down, I bet you Yoshi will pass his a$$ up and claim a solid kill......
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if he did that would be some straight out b.s but i can see someone doing that but thats more of a ricer thing i never had anyone beside ricer do that to me i think most mustang owner have more respect then that i would hope so anyways b/c the fly by is pretty gay
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timberlane_2003 said:
if he did that would be some straight out b.s but i can see someone doing that but thats more of a ricer thing i never had anyone beside ricer do that to me i think most mustang owner have more respect then that i would hope so anyways b/c the fly by is pretty gay
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I encountered a few Mustang & ricer flyby's from the past..... And it sure is gay........
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yeah they are gay i would like to slap whoever made that crap up
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AUSTINSCOBRA said:
Once you line up with a guy, especially going around somebody to get there usually means ITS ON..... He didnt react fast enough & the guy in the STI took advantage of it...... His a$$ got caught sleep'n
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actually i wouldnt say i got caught "sleeping." any AWD guy knows he has the advantage off the line, so there would be no such thing as "caught sleeping." He got in front of me and never slowed down, thats y i floored it to catch up in the first place, because i WANTED a fair race. But i know that with my set up, even if i didnt have a good launch, i would have beat him if we both went from the line, so it doesnt matter.

if anyone knows the guy, it is a like 04-06 white STi in the crofton, MD area. I will go again just to prove i am more then capable of winning. the debate in this forum, however, is whether i won that race or not, since i caught up on a 3-4 length lead, and was tied at the end. Now, common sense and basic physics would tell u that if we started from a roll next to each other, i would have been ahead 3-4 lengths.

so basically, i call it a victory, but i dont see how ppl say i lost because "i want ahead of him at the end." i agree on the ricer flyby comparisson, if he REALLY wanted to race and thought he stood a chance or even would win, then he would have let me get next to him from the start. so basically, im calling him out saying hes a coward for not letting me get there, since he KNEW from a dig he would get the advantage, and most RWD ppl around here, espcially on cold days, wont go from a dig vs. a 300hp AWD turbo
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YoshiBluedevil said:
so basically, i call it a victory, but i dont see how ppl say i lost because "i want ahead of him at the end." i agree on the ricer flyby comparisson, if he REALLY wanted to race and thought he stood a chance or even would win, then he would have let me get next to him from the start. so basically, im calling him out saying hes a coward for not letting me get there, since he KNEW from a dig he would get the advantage, and most RWD ppl around here, espcially on cold days, wont go from a dig vs. a 300hp AWD turbo
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Sorry, but how is he a coward when he went from a dig, and I believe you said "Either way, his AWD will kill me off the line, so I decide to just chill with it." Sounds like you were the coward!

...But anyways Yoshi, I don't mean to dog on you, we're not counting wins or loses. You got a bad a$$ car and should have ran from a dig and crushed him. Street racing is just what it is, run what you brung, win or lose, its all good. To me, running from a roll is just a ricers excuse for having no torque in his honda/Acura/WHATEVER! Austin, I agree with you 100% on all your points, just to much to quote!
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when it is 40 degrees outside, and I am driving on over 300 whp with bald nittos, there is no going head to head from a light. Anyone with that much power knows you need better tires to get even a decent launch. Even with UCA/LCA, eibach springs, and the nittos, (and adj koni yellows on the lightest setting), i can spin 3rd if im not careful. THAT is why I didn't go from the light. Yeah I guess I see what ppl are saying with the "rung what you brung," and I agree ... but if it was me that took off like that, and I was that far ahead, and I saw that the person I was racing wasnt pushing it, then I would slow down and go from a roll, and then maybe talk to them and be like "hey u want to go from a stop at the light?" or "hey nice race, wanna go again?" Thats what happened when I still had stock gears, and I raced the most incredible sleeper 240sx sr20 turbo swap ever. We saw each other on the road, and he came up, and we both hit it, and he stayed right with me (with my granny shifting cause im a sissy on my tranny). Then when we got up to a light, he rolled down his window and said "hey thats a really nice car man, I thought I would have had you, Ive never lost to a mustang!" Then I followed him and we chatted some more before going our seperate ways.
I guess it really just depends on the integrity of the person behind the other wheel...

So I guess you can say I didn't "win" the race ... but acknoledging how much I pulled up on him, I can agree with my friend saying "[I had] the potential to win, and still do, but in that 'race,' nobody won since didnt go from the light, and he didnt wait for the run from a roll"
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I say you won. I mean you said that you was going to catch up and go from a roll at the speed limit, so that means you wasn't on it all the way, then when you saw that he wasn't slowing you hit it and CAUGHT him even when he had a humongous advantage with the head start and was on the verge of passing him. He might of hit the brakes know that you was about to own him and hit them to say that he won. There is no finish line on the street so it could have keep on going. So in my book you WON hands down.
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Gro_oms said:
I say you won. I mean you said that you was going to catch up and go from a roll at the speed limit, so that means you wasn't on it all the way, then when you saw that he wasn't slowing you hit it and CAUGHT him even when he had a humongous advantage with the head start and was on the verge of passing him. He might of hit the brakes know that you was about to own him and hit them to say that he won. There is no finish line on the street so it could have keep on going. So in my book you WON hands down.
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When I was alot younger than I am now...I street raced...and there was always a finish line. Otherwise, the person with the highest top speed would win everytime. What, you want to race from Barstow to Vegas?? Of course there is a finish line...unless you are into the "fast and the furious" lets race through traffic and whoever is the craziest wins bullsh*t. The people who think there are no finish lines are also the ones who flyby you when the race has already ended.

Yoshi, it shouldn't bother you, like you said, you pulled on him 3-4 cars. If your nittos suck, get new ones, and you and I both know you won't have any trouble next time...
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Gro_oms said:
I say you won. I mean you said that you was going to catch up and go from a roll at the speed limit, so that means you wasn't on it all the way, then when you saw that he wasn't slowing you hit it and CAUGHT him even when he had a humongous advantage with the head start and was on the verge of passing him. He might of hit the brakes know that you was about to own him and hit them to say that he won. There is no finish line on the street so it could have keep on going. So in my book you WON hands down.
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you and I are on the same page :worship
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