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Man I remember when I thought 100 in a 1/4 was fast... Now the V6 mustang will do over a 100 in a 1/4... That is impressive...
 

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yeah, and recall in 96 when my Cobra came out 300hp dohc was like the promised land had been entered
 

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So right you are! I am 63 and grew up in the muscle car era. I used to go to Quaker City Dragway in Salem Ohio in the mid 60's. As a hobby, I wrote down the times of the pure stock cars. MOST of the GTO's 442's 383 Mopars and 396 Chevelles and 390 GT Fairlanes were in the low 15's under 100 mph. These were the base models. The higher horsepower models were in the high 14's. In the later 60's a mid to low 14 was a fast car. These were pure stock times. The new cars would DESTROY a 60's muscle car, both pure stock, but that is what 50 years of development can do. And "OUCH" 12 miles per gallon from the 66 Plymouth Street Hemi I owned.
 

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So right you are! I am 63 and grew up in the muscle car era. I used to go to Quaker City Dragway in Salem Ohio in the mid 60's. As a hobby, I wrote down the times of the pure stock cars. MOST of the GTO's 442's 383 Mopars and 396 Chevelles and 390 GT Fairlanes were in the low 15's under 100 mph. These were the base models. The higher horsepower models were in the high 14's. In the later 60's a mid to low 14 was a fast car. These were pure stock times. The new cars would DESTROY a 60's muscle car, both pure stock, but that is what 50 years of development can do. And "OUCH" 12 miles per gallon from the 66 Plymouth Street Hemi I owned.
I had a 70 Chevelle SS396 that turned a constant 13.7. That's was with a set of big tube Hookers and M/T slicks.
 

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When I was in high school, in the mid-late '70s, a 12-second car was practically undriveable on the street, with the giant cam, etc. Now, 4000+ lb Mercedes sedans run faster with the A/C on- not to mention a bone-stock 5.0, driven very well.
 

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Heck, just look at a stock Mustang GT 1/4 times just 10 years ago. My stock 2001 and 2002 GT's were only rated at 260 hp, which was about 225 hp at the rear wheels. 1/4 times ranged from 14.4-13.8, depending on gearing and transmission. Now I have a stock car that puts out around 365-375 rwhp and can do a 1/4 in low 13's high 12's.
 

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So right you are! I am 63 and grew up in the muscle car era. I used to go to Quaker City Dragway in Salem Ohio in the mid 60's. As a hobby, I wrote down the times of the pure stock cars. MOST of the GTO's 442's 383 Mopars and 396 Chevelles and 390 GT Fairlanes were in the low 15's under 100 mph. These were the base models. The higher horsepower models were in the high 14's. In the later 60's a mid to low 14 was a fast car. These were pure stock times. The new cars would DESTROY a 60's muscle car, both pure stock, but that is what 50 years of development can do. And "OUCH" 12 miles per gallon from the 66 Plymouth Street Hemi I owned.
I am about your same age and got to experience some of those cars when they were new. I would like to have todays tires on those cars to see what would happen. Those 350 to 425 hp cars were heavier than todays cars and the tires would not stick nearly as well as todays tires do.
 

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Tvanpool you are so right, the tires do make quite a difference. My brother-in-law sold a frame off 1970 SS454 365 HP cowl induction 4 speed 3.73 gear Chevelle a couple of years ago. I drove the car and it was much tighter than I thought it would be. The tip in throttle response is not like a fuel injected car. My 2010 stick GT with 3.73's would have killed it. I would guess low 14's for that 454. I owned a 1968 Dart 340 GTS with a 4 speed. It ran 14.40's and a 383 Roadrunner. The Roadrunner was a 15 sec car and felt like it. Both of them burnt a lot of rubber back then. I think the fuel injection and variable valve timing and computer controlled air fuel ratio and timing make the new cars SO much better. I restored a 1967 Jaguar XKE roadster and sold it last year. Saw a video of a V6 Accord drag racing an XKE like mine and an Austin Martin DB5, was not pretty, the Accord pulled away and won by 3 lengths! Sold the Jag because of a bad left knee, ordered a 2012 GT auto and trading the 2010 stick for same reason! Done with sticks.
 

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First Mustang was an '85 GT @ 210 HP. Then a '98 Cobra @ 305 HP. Now we get 412 HP.

400+ HP used to be Super Car territory. Sub 5 second 0-60 was only for Ferraris and some Porsches.

But really, how much more power do we need? Speed limits are still only 60-70, and with so much traffic congestion, it's rare when we can really let the car run.

I wonder what the future holds..
 

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50 FASTEST CLASSIC AMERICAN MUSCLE CARS

# YEAR MODEL ET MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE

1 1966 427 Cobra 1[email protected] 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65
2 1966 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65
3 1969 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BB L390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69
4 1970 Hemi Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69
5 1970 Chevelle SS454 [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69
6 1969 Camaro [email protected]427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69
7 1968 Corvette [email protected] 427 6V435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68
8 1970 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
9 1970 Buick GS Stage I [email protected] 455 Stage I360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
10 1968 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68
11 1969 Charger 500 [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69
12 1968 Charger [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67
13 1970 Plymouth Superbird [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 ???
14 1968 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69
15 1973 Trans Am [email protected] 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
16 1969 Corvette [email protected] 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69
17 1969 Super Bee [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang [email protected] Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69
19 1970 Challenger R/T [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
20 1970 Torino Cobra [email protected] 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
21 1968 Biscayne [email protected] 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68
22 1964 Polara 500 [email protected] 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64
23 1969 GTX [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
24 1969 Dart 440 [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
25 1971 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
26 1971 Cuda [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
27 1971 Corvette [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71
28 1971 Super Bee [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
29 1968 Hurst/Olds [email protected] 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69
31 1968 Firebird [email protected] 400 HO 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68
32 1967 Corvette [email protected] 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67
33 1965 Catalina [email protected] 421 6V? 4-Speed 3.42 CD 3/65
34 1969 Super Bee Six Pack [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CD 7/69
35 1971 Boss 351 Mustang [email protected] Boss 351 330 4-Speed 3.91 MT 1/71
36 1966 Satellite [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CD 4/66
37 1969 Coronet R/T [email protected] 440 4V 375 4-Speed 4.10SS 4/69
38 1968 Cyclone GT [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68
39 1969 Nova SS 396 [email protected] 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69
40 1969 Shelby GT-500 [email protected] 428 CJ 335 4-Speed 3.91 SS 9/69
41 1969 Cyclone Cobra Jet [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 1/69
42 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 [email protected] 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69
43 1962 Corvette [email protected] 327 FI 360 4-Speed 4.10 HR 1/62
44 1969 Barracuda [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69
45 1962 Catalina [email protected] 421 4V? 4-Speed 4.30 MT 5/62
46 1969 Mustang Mach I [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69
47 1967 GTO [email protected] 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67
48 1970 Trans Am [email protected] 400 RA 345 4-Speed 3.91 HR 2/70
49 1970 Torino Cobra [email protected] 429 4V? 4-Speed 3.91 MT 2/70

Legend: CC=Car Craft, CD=Car and Driver, CL=Car Life, HC=Hi Performance Cars, HR=Hot Rod, MCR=Muscle Car Review, MM=Mopar Muscle, MT=Motor Trend, SS=Super Stock

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml

Motor Trend has the '11 GT running a 12.7 sec qtr mile @ 111.6 mph.

They have the '11 V6 running 14.5 sec @ 97.3 mph, although I'd thought I'd seen better #'s...just under 14 @ ~ 100???

If you discount the 427 Cobra (not many made, not really 'production', although like many folks it's my ultimate dream car), arguably the 2011+ Ford Mustang GT is badder than any of the Classic American Muscle cars of the 60's and 70's.

That's cool.
 

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I had a friend when I was in high school that had a fast pick up( I know I know LOL).. It was a pretty cool 72 GMC... Had a merc cruiser 350 in it.. All rollered out and stuff.. Had some slick looking intake, double pumper, bored and cammed out.. All the goodies.. It ran 100ish in the 1/4.. We thought it was fast.. Shoot it was fast..

I would blow it's doors off with my 2011 mustang.. Shame he wreaked the truck in a ditch
 

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Wonder how many of those Muscle cars in that list had their stock rubber on them when they made those times?

I remember 8'ish years ago when my 351W powered Mustang II had never been beet by anything on the street. Ran it in the 1/4 mile and the first car I get lined up with is a 1 week old Terminator powered Mustang Cobra...new enough that I hadn't even read about what the powerplant was and how quick they were. Even if I hadn't had a 2.4sec 60' time I still wouldn't have beat it, and I ran 13.59 at 106mph.
 

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I am 59. In the 70's I ran a Ford Fairlane on the street. It had a built 351 Cleveland in it with a tunnel ram and 2 600 cfm Holley 4 barrels. It ran mid 12's in the quarter at around 110. and was one of the fastest cars in our City at the time. Now a days that car would be considered "slow". But it sure was fun at the time. And with 4800 stall convertor and 5:14 gears, it was fun to the tune of about 7-8 miles to the gallon on a good day. My 2011 GT 3:73 gear with 94 tune and CAI, with aluminum driveshaft and Corsa extemes will rival it and pass a lot more gas stations, with the air on to boot .:winks
 

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Found better Motor Trend V6 numbers...pulled the above off their website...these're out of my hardcopy of their July 2010 issue;

13.7 @ 102...I'd thought it fell ~ 23 on the list of 50.

Very impressive (my Cousin's a Homicide Detective and his daughter has an '11 V6, w/he tells me is quicker than any of his cop cars).
 
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Wonder how many of those Muscle cars in that list had their stock rubber on them when they made those times?
^I'm guessing almost none. Here's why ...

A while back Speed Channel's DreamCarGarage tested 7 bone stock vintage muscle cars (including using modern reproductions of the original tires). The cars tested were:
  • Pontiac GTO Judge 400 Ram Air III
  • Buick GS 455 Stage 1
  • Hurst Oldsmobile 442 455 HO
  • Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454
  • Ford Mustang Mach 1 Boss 429
    [*]Dodge Challenger Hemi 426
    [*]American Motors AMX 390
And here are their results ...


Some noteworthy tests of "lesser" muscle cars when they were new ...




It's interesting to note that my 11 V6's bone stock time of 14.26 is ~2/10 sec. slower than a bone stock GTO Judge Ram Air.

And that's with an auto/2.73 gears!
 

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Wow... those were the days!

I grew up ridig around in my Dads 70 1/2 Falcon 429SCJ Drag Pack, 4.11 detroit locker... yeah a factory car! It ran 13.4 on slicks, cant remember the speed but I know it was scooting.

My first Mustang an 82GT had 157HP from the factory!!! By the time I was done with it (351W, 533HP), it ran 13.14 @ 115.9mph in street trim. That was back in the mid 90's. I drove it as my daily driver and there were only a few cars around that could beat me. It would run low 12's with slicks but it never liked the track... something broke every time I was there with it. But yet made it to work without a hitch!

My 2011 probably runs the same speed and time, gets 25mpg (my last full tank) has A/C, is a convertible, and has a warranty!!!

Yep Amazing!
 
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Wow... those were the days!

I grew up ridig around in my Dads 70 1/2 Falcon 429SCJ Drag Pack, 4.11 detroit locker... yeah a factory car! It ran 13.4 on slicks, cant remember the speed but I know it was scooting.

My first Mustang an 82GT had 157HP from the factory!!! By the time I was done with it (351W, 533HP), it ran 13.14 @ 115.9mph in street trim. That was back in the mid 90's. I drove it as my daily driver and there were only a few cars around that could beat me. It would run low 12's with slicks but it never liked the track... something broke every time I was there with it. But yet made it to work without a hitch!

My 2011 probably runs the same speed and time, gets 25mpg (my last full tank) has A/C, is a convertible, and has a warranty!!!

Yep Amazing!
I bought an 82 GT when they were new. Running low 13's, I know you changed out the rear. The stock 7 1/2" was barely able to handle the 157hp. The trans had to be the next thing to go. LOL

But yeah, stock vs. stock my 3.7 runs rings around all the early model GT's I had (up to and including my 95 Cobra). Plus, I'm getting +7 mpg than I did with those cars!
 

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I bought an 82 GT when they were new. Running low 13's, I know you changed out the rear. The stock 7 1/2" was barely able to handle the 157hp. The trans had to be the next thing to go. LOL

But yeah, stock vs. stock my 3.7 runs rings around all the early model GT's I had (up to and including my 95 Cobra). Plus, I'm getting +7 mpg than I did with those cars!

I changed out everything over the years, but when I got the car the 4-speed that was in it had locked up going down the autobahn at 100mph, when the wrecker pulled it onto the truck they bent the front suspension. I got the car for $1500 with only 50k miles on it!

Anyway, I found a wrecked 86 SVO and put the whole bottom end, brakes suspension, rear (3.73) on it, I found a new GT (that was in 1986 BTW) and put a T-5 in it, put some ground effects on and painted it bright red.

The 82GT came with a whopping 157HP and a single exhaust! The 8.8 came later with the first engine build, but even with the stock 2BBL Carb I was able to beat Corvettes in the late 80s. I figure I was running about 175HP!!! Never had it on the track but I figured it as a mid 14 sec car.

I still have the car but it is sitting and rotting away, just dont have the time/ money to rebuild it.



 
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