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As the title says, winter is coming (too fast i might add), need to upgrade some things before hand.

spent the last hour looking at various brands of brake pads and rotors. from what i see, the only decent brand of ceramic brakes with rotors in my price range (not trying to go beyond $100/tire, $400 a set) is the PowerStop set. I see it on AM for $400 and I'm sure I could find it on amazon for a lot cheaper. Anyone else have another brand they would suggest or a reason to not get powerstop? the only other brand i see that i'd be interested in is Akebono just because of the quality for the price. Hawks look good also for the price but I'd have to spend a lot buying brakes/rotors out of a kit separately.

secondly, and more importantly: your experience with winter tires. there is a ton i have seen on TireRack and DiscountTire- Falken EuroWinter, Michelin XIce, Hankook Ice Evo, Continental Extreme Winter, Bridgestone Blizzak, Goodyear Ultra Ice Grip WRT, Pirelli Winter Carving are the ones i've seen.

From what I've read I either want the Michelin XIce or the Pirelli's and stud them (which is illegal where I live I think.)

So what is your personal experience with winter tires, specifically Michilin or Pirelli or studded. Already began snowing in Missouri here, guess it's that time seeing as how I plan on daily driving mine out this winter. Can't imagine it being any worse that my '98 Ranger 2wd 4cyl, no traction no power no weight, just awful.

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I have not had experience with either the Pirellis or the Michelins. However I have had experience with the Firestone Winterforce studded and not studded. They will grip on anything. As for brakes, they arent really something you want to skimp on. I used powerstops on my fox for a few thousand miles and they worked fine. I havent heard anything good or bad about them, they were very nice, grippy and consistent. As for tires, With any of the big brands, I'm sure they all work about the same.
 

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With regards to brake linings in general IMHO,

Ceramics: They are good but do not develop any more friction than good quality OEM linings...and in fact are used as many oem applications
Performance Friction & Hawk: Good braking, increased friction but very dirty compared to OEM.
Wagner & Raybestos: a line of products that is 100% marketing and mfg from very low quality/inexpensive and/or imported products with the mfg's not providing any back-up or support on product failures (and I mean real ugly spontaneous, catestropihic failures)
VelveTouch lining- Used for many decades and was the original lining used in all Shelby Mustangs in the 60’s (I personally have used the Velvetouch lining since 1960’s until brake lining production ceased in 1986), then switched to Carbo. Wellman has been the builder of braking linings for all of the Formula 1 race teams for more than 30 years and VT is now available again.
Bendix- TitaniuMetallic™ II, a newer lining (semi-metallic) and although I have not personally used this, I have always been impressed with Bendix brake linings and this particular lining IIMHO would be a low dust, excellent oem upgrade/mild performance type brake lining.
CarboTech Engineering lining, which I have used for about 20+ years and been very happy on multiple full size (V8) cars and trucks. This particular lining has a high friction co-efficient, excellent pedal feel, wears (typically 50,000 to 75,000 miles before replacement is required) and produces less dust than OEM linings.

I highly recommend speaking to them by phone for linings that would be best for your application. Fyi- braking co-efficient is what identifies the bite rating of the linings- you want the CE to be no less than that of the OEM.....this will drive most e-base distributors & big box store "experts" right out of their mind because they either cannot verify this info or you will find the spec is less than oem. IMHO, i would look for a CE that is .49 or greater.

With regards to rotors, I have previously run Brembo OEM replacement rotors that are cryogenically treated at Diversified Cryogenics, making them almost as hard as stainless steel- Applied Rotor Technology in California provides the same product- but I would not rely on their delivery as it is essentially a 1 person shop owned/run by a Boeing engineer who works back east, travels alot and works at ART on weekends the last of my phone conversations with him). Unfortunately, Brembo, Powerslot, Raybestos, Bendix, Hawk (which is now owned by Wellman) etc. are all purchasing their rotors from the same foundary in China (with the exception of the $300 each composite high end units for Ferrari, Porsche, etc).

Both companies purchase the highest grade rotors made, laser mic them for quality, scrap the ones that are out of spec and cryogenically treat the good ones which are now as strong as stainless. They will also slot and cross drill the rotors for you. DC's service, price and quality are excellent as well.

For street use, slotted/drilled rotors are just “cheese-graters” for the brake pads IMHO, because unless you are involved in true racing conditions, the brake linings do not produce the gases which slotted/drilled rotors are designed to relive. In some cases, brake testing indicated reduce brake efficiency in street-based operations using slotted/drilled rotors when equal comparisons were made. The staff at carbo can speak to you as well regarding those options, but I am very satisfied with the performance & wear of these products.
 

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Regarding the brakes -- look for some take-off rotors on Craig's List or e-bay, people will practically give them away just to get rid of them.

I don't have much to say about the pads, except if you are only street driving it probably doesn't make much difference, just avoid noisy or dusty ones . . . so any ceramic is probably fine.

About the winter tires -- any real snow tire will be pretty good. The "best" ones might be a little better than the not-the-best ones, but the difference is very small. The difference between all season tires and real winter snow tires is huge.

Probably more important is to NOT buy them too wide. You want a relatively narrow tire for the snow -- I would go with 225 or 215 width if I had my choice, assuming you have factory Mustang wheels which are usually somewhere between 7.5 and 8.5 inches wide.
 

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Performance Friction & Hawk: Good braking, increased friction but very dirty compared to OEM.
I see this a lot on this forum. I've used Hawk pads for several years on GM and Ford vehicles and have never found this to be the case. In every case the Hawk Super Duty and HPS pads have been far cleaner than any OEM or OEM replacement pad. They stop the vehicle better too.
 

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For cruising around (non-track-use) I run WearEver Platinum pads and they've been good to me. They're also cheap (about $170 for all four corners, from Advanced Auto).

As for tires, Blizzak's are very popular amongst the Mustang crowd.

I personally have had a few sets of Michelin X-Ice tires, and have loved them. They're a tad pricey, but they've not let me down, and best of all I got them from Costco so they got mounted, balanced, and pumped full of nitrogen for free.
 

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For cruising around (non-track-use) I run WearEver Platinum pads and they've been good to me. They're also cheap (about $170 for all four corners, from Advanced Auto).
sounds good i just wish rotors were cheaper, that is the main thing that makes me lean towards a brake/rotor kit is the cheapest set of 4 rotors is usually around $400 without the pads lol.
 

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. . . cheapest set of 4 rotors is usually around $400 without the pads lol.
nearly new take-offs run about $50 for the full set on craig's list or e-bay
 

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nearly new take-offs run about $50 for the full set on craig's list or e-bay
Take Offs? is this a brand? pretty good brand?
 

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Take Offs? is this a brand? pretty good brand?
One of the greatest things about owning a Mustang, is that other Mustang owners are constantly modifying or "modding" their cars -- meaning replacing the stock / factory parts with better aftermarket parts. When they take off the stock parts, you get "take-offs" . . . Many times they are practically brand new, because people buy these cars, then immediately start modding them.

This creates a wonderful supply of slightly used parts for those of us who are not so picky. And they are available super cheap because the people who took them off their cars just want to get rid of them for a little cash.

Your local Craig's List and e-bay are two good places to look.
 

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One of the greatest things about owning a Mustang, is that other Mustang owners are constantly modifying or "modding" their cars -- meaning replacing the stock / factory parts with better aftermarket parts. When they take off the stock parts, you get "take-offs" . . . Many times they are practically brand new, because people buy these cars, then immediately start modding them.

This creates a wonderful supply of slightly used parts for those of us who are not so picky. And they are available super cheap because the people who took them off their cars just want to get rid of them for a little cash.

Your local Craig's List and e-bay are two good places to look.
all good info,never thought of that. thanks guys. plan on buying the Michilen Ice tires also, just not sure what size. Going to talk to DiscountTire's people about how skinny of a tire I want for winter driving.
 
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