[PsychadelicGT07]

Okay guys.. I'm looking for some guideance to a thread, or just get some information if anyone has any on this subject.
I currently own a vista blue 2006 v6 mustang. My father, and I are considering putting a Big block 496 stroker into this car. I like the body style, and I like the fact that it's not something that's very common for this style to my knowledge, so that's part of the reason I plan to do this. I am also aware of the fox body style being lighter etc, etc. I am wondering if anyone has any information on how this will work, potential problems ( we are going carb). I also wanted to mention we know we will have to upgrade certain parts, and get suspension other upgrades like that the main concern here is the engine fitting (my dad thinks it will fine but im not so sure) and possibly tranny issues. Thanks!

 

[jlee910]

Transmission, exhaust, and K-member issues would be my main concerns. Deck height isn't too much of an issue since a lower K-member and cowl hood can provide several inches. Stock 4.6 exhaust is a tight fit, so aligning your chevy headers to fit will probably be your biggest pain. A tremec Magnum XL shares the same linkage for all bell housings if I'm not mistaken. It's an expensive upgrade, but I believe it'd be worth it in your case. Good luck!

With a 496, I'd also upgrade the rear axle to an 8.8 to handle the torque.

 

[Guest]

You should Definitely have NO issues with fitting Any BB engine in the bay of the S197 Stang. (At least as far as the Width of the Engine bay) as these cars were built to fit The MUCH Larger Modular SOHC 3V 4.6 and The even Wider 5.4 4V DOHC "Condor" Engine that the GT-500 came with! Believe Me, these Ford Modular Over Head Cam Engines are Huge, and most people dont realize this until they actually see one thats either sitting on the floor, or hanging from an engine hoist!

I remember back in 1992 when I was at a Ford dealer's Service dept. and sitting on a crate (on the floor) was a 281 Ci SOHC 2 Valve that was to replace one that had major issues for the new for that year Town Car. And since this was the first time that I actually laid eyes on this New Behemoth, that would somehow fit into the SN-95 Stang. some 4 years later (1996), I was simply in Awe, at the size of that thing, especially since it was a Paltry 281 Ci!!.......

So to make a long Story Short (I know, I start to babble when I reminisce!sleep.gif) All of Fords Deep Skirted, Over-Head Cam Modulars are QUITE a bit larger than ANY of the Largest Cam In Block (Pushrod) Engines! As the Only 2 Pushrod Big Block that can even come close to being as Wide as these new OHC Modular's are the Mopar 426 Ci Hemi, and the 1969-70 Ford Boss-9 (429 Ci) Shotgun "Semi-Hemi" engine.....The Largest, Widest, (Physically) Non-Specialty "Production" Engine EVER produced, is the 1965 427 SOHC Engine built by Ford, but That Engine never really made into mass production due to the fact that Chrysler Corp. went "a screamin" to NASCAR which in turn "Banned" the SOHC from FoMoCo from being able to compete at ANY of the sanctioned Tracks.....And Mopar did this because they KNEW that that "Years ahead of its time" Ford SOHC Bullet would upset EVERY 426 "Elephant" Hemi that was competing!!....

Back to the OP's original inquiry....Depending on what type of K member, and suspension that you wind up using, (Along with how large your Intake Manifold/Carb setup is.) You just might be looking into an aftermarket (Raised) Cowl Hood, as you may have problems with a OEM Hood from a S197 being able to Close.wrenchin.gif thumbsup3.gif....

Keep us Posted on your Build!

Sean.

 

[bl817]

if your going to be doing this and already have the parts. why fight with the mustangs wiring at all. you said your going to be carbed right. strip it down to the bone, wires and all and get a painless setup for an early chevy or ford. lots easier and wont have to deal with all the sensors and ect and sjb to get all the **** to work. 15 or so wires and your done. a chevy in a way better looking body IMHO haha. just a thought.

 

[ghunt]

Just thinking out loud, what transmission are you planning on using?

At the very least you're probably looking at custom headers (unless you can somehow find an existing application that will work) and a custom driveshaft.

 

[justin73]

What are you thinking a chevy motor in a mustang. Thats like putting a dodge motor in a ferrari. I dont know why people do that if u are a chevy guy stick with chevy.

 

[Guest]

What are you thinking a chevy motor in a mustang. Thats like putting a dodge motor in a ferrari. I dont know why people do that if u are a chevy guy stick with chevy.

Now, Now,......Be nice!...There are a BUNCH of Stangs. out there with Oversized BB Chevy Bullets residing under their hoods. (Just watch any episode of "Pinks", and you will see more Chevy powered Fox Stangs. then Ford powered ones!) And the reason being is that there is at Least 6 X's the amount of BB GM survivor Motors out there!

And the reason for the abundance of BB Chevy Blocks still out there is due to the fact that Chevy always offered at least 3 different iterations of EVERY motor that was ever made....i.e. 3 different HP variations of the 396 Ci, they had at one time 4 different levels
of the 427 Ci available, not to mention the 3 different HP variations of the 454 Ci motor.....Heck! and thats JUST Chevy! If you were to add in the different Pontiac and Oldsmobile Engines, well the sky was the limit in the number of different Engines available!.......AND these are just the old production Blocks that are still laying around. ..............

GM Performance, has a HUGE list of BB Modern "Crate" bullets that are readily available, and for very economical prices!

If one wants to run a Ford BB in a "Modern" Stang. well you had better be ready to Pay! $$$$$$.....As there just werent anywere near the amount of BB Ford engines that were offered besides the 390, 427 and 428 CJ engines.....Did Ford have a Bunch of BB Truck engines available?...Yes! as the BB Truck (or Standby Industrial Engines) started with the 352 Ci Truck engine, and they went up to the 460 "Gorilla" Motor!.......

Anybody today that wants to be able to aquire, then build a Giant Cubic Inch Big Blick engine themselves, well naturally GM is the way to go!....

On the other hand, if one were to want to build a High HP Ford Motor to shoehorn into a Modern Stang. Well 90% of the time its going to be a Poked/Stroked Pushrod Small Block from FRPP.....And if they have Big $$$$ to spend, then they will usually go with a DOHC Modular "Aluminator" bullet....Thems just the Facts!....

The MAIN thing here, is the OP has a "Stang."!sarcastic.gif ......And since He has a Chevy BB laying around, well I cant fault the guy for wanting to build one mean butted Mustang!.....Regardless of what he has powering it......

Sean.

 

[AlloyPony]

Will the steering intermediate shaft be a concern? On my 4.6 car the steering shaft is VERY close to the exhaust manifold. With a BB engine taking up that space I don't see how it would work and moving the steering would be a nightmare I would think.

 

[fonz3482]

Another issue maybe will it pass state inspection. Most states have strict emissions guidelines and here in ny state 1995 and up vehciles get plugged into a computer and checked, all vehicles are also required to have all their factory emmisions components on them. Of course there is ways to get around a few things! But It maybe hard to inspect the car after, and even sell it if you ever wanted too down the road.

 

[ghunt]

Will the steering intermediate shaft be a concern? On my 4.6 car the steering shaft is VERY close to the exhaust manifold. With a BB engine taking up that space I don't see how it would work and moving the steering would be a nightmare I would think.

I doubt a big block anything would really be any wider than a 4.6.

Honestly if it was me I would build up a 460, they can make 500+ hp with relatively little work and they're dirt cheap. But, if he's already got a BBC laying around I can see why he would use it.

 

[calspcl]

No way would I ever degrade my mustang and put a cheap chevy engine in it. It really pains me to see so many chevy engines put into a mustang or any other Ford body. What a disgrace to Ford.

 

[Norm Peterson]

What are you thinking a chevy motor in a mustang. Thats like putting a dodge motor in a ferrari. I dont know why people do that if u are a chevy guy stick with chevy.

No way would I ever degrade my mustang and put a cheap chevy engine in it. It really pains me to see so many chevy engines put into a mustang or any other Ford body. What a disgrace to Ford.

How is what OP is planning to do any different from a cross-make V8 swap into a 1932 Ford 3-window? Would such a deuce project be any less of a hotrod because it wasn't all Ford?


Norm

 

[calspcl]

How is what OP is planning to do any different from a cross-make V8 swap into a 1932 Ford 3-window? Would such a deuce project be any less of a hotrod because it wasn't all Ford?


Norm

I don't agree with putting a Chevy in a Ford hot rod, read my post again I said no chevy engine in any Ford body

 

[ghunt]

How is what OP is planning to do any different from a cross-make V8 swap into a 1932 Ford 3-window? Would such a deuce project be any less of a hotrod because it wasn't all Ford?


Norm

I hate street rods with small block Chevy's because they're bellybutton cars. A lot of aftermarket street rod frames come set up by default for a 350/350 combination, so there's a ton of them out there and it gets really boring. I used to get Street Rodder magazine- you know how many of those cars have SBC's with block hugger headers and an auto tranny?

 

[Norm Peterson]

I don't agree with putting a Chevy in a Ford hot rod, read my post again I said no chevy engine in any Ford body

I did read it.

Most people cut hot rods a little slack because they're so obviously so far from "regular production" as it is. More than one AMBR Ford has been Chevy powered.


But let me ask you - are you equally opposed to all those 9" Ford axles being used under Chevvies? Or the 8.8's that are starting to be seen under GM intermediates?


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

I hate street rods with small block Chevy's because they're bellybutton cars. A lot of aftermarket street rod frames come set up by default for a 350/350 combination, so there's a ton of them out there and it gets really boring. I used to get Street Rodder magazine- you know how many of those cars have SBC's with block hugger headers and an auto tranny?

I get that magazine, and all I can say is if the builder has no more imagination than that it will end up being reflected in his build regardless of the quality of the workmanship. You'd never catch me building up a hotrod that way, for more reasons than just avoiding a "belly-button" build.


As it happens, I have a 350 SBC that's currently sitting idle. Aluminum-headed, aftermarket EFI'd and with a Tremec 3550 (car it was in is gone). And there's a crash-damaged '66 C-code available that's so rough that its VIN is about the only thing about it with much value (think tube-frame-chassis-required rough). Either those parts and the 3rd gen Firebird disc brake axle and a few other parts from still other makes that I also have on hand will find a way to all come together or the '66 shell will end up as just another Mustang lost to the scrap heap (and I'll still have all the other stuff).


I guess hotrodders just have a different outlook.


Norm

 

[calspcl]

I did read it.

Most people cut hot rods a little slack because they're so obviously so far from "regular production" as it is. More than one AMBR Ford has been Chevy powered.


But let me ask you - are you equally opposed to all those 9" Ford axles being used under Chevvies? Or the 8.8's that are starting to be seen under GM intermediates?


Norm

That's hardly an equal comparison, but if I were a Chevy guy I would want all Chevy drive train

 

[az.dsrt]

Looks like the OP has left the building. Am curious though, how would the OP handle emissions inspections? Am assuming he was planning to drive it on the road. No way would it pass in AZ..

 

[Crazy redneck]

I'm looking for some advice on a build I'm about to start and part out the car. It is a 2005 v6 pony I have ordered a k member to drop a sbc i just got together engine dynoed at 762hp on just a 150 shot
I ordered subframe conectors for front to rear
looking at 4.56 gears .
Considering k sport sespension
Lexan windows
Fiberglass doors , hood, trunk
Carbon fiber roll cage
Only basics for interior
Lights need to work to drive on street
I know I will be welding and fabing alot

I don't what tranny to go with , what body kit to give it a mean drag look, and if I'm waiting my time I had a 95 camaro run low 9's with just under 640whp and I really want this car to be light enough and just be able to do it and look like a trailer queen on the outside . I run a lot of chevy but I got a weakness for mustangs this will be the third one I have did a sbc swap in but the heaviest for what I'm trying to do. . I would like suggestions on tranny , rear end, or if I should change something . thanks a lot