[patrickpp14]

Hey everyone,

Alright, i need some help. So when i bought my car about a year ago (2004 Mustang GT 5 Spd 60K miles) i noticed the car had a VERY rough suspension on it. Like every bump was felt pretty hard. It had/has 18" FR500s on it with 275 tires up front and 305 in the back. Now when i took it to my uncles shop, we put the car on the lift and saw a FULL eibach suspension on it but the ride height was to the OE settings :headscratch:

Anyways, the car RIDES LIKE CRAP! and theres a lot of noise from the suspension like when i turn the steering wheel, there's creaking noises (as if your walking on old hardwood floors) and you could feel these noises as well through the floor boards.

Now, ima change the dampers and struts along with most of the bushings so anyone have any suggestions of how i could lower my car a good amount WHILE keeping good ride quality as supposed to bouncing around off every bump like i do know?? i was thinking some lowering springs like H&R and some KYB shocks that are set to factory ride quality..PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR OPINIONS..

thanks in advance,
Pat :wavey

 

[86967]

what is a full Eibach suspension? Shocks, struts, springs? I'm not sure lowering the car with any kit is going to not inrease the harshness of the ride...
I'd also suspect the low profile tires are not of good quality and contributing to the harshness...
Finally I'm not real sure you can achieve both, lowered and not harsh, it's a Mustang, they just all ride kinda hard and lowering it makes it worse...
I have Konis on my Cobra, and yeah, it rides harsh, but it handles great...if I want soft, I drive my Infiniti

 

[Tim@5150]

what is a full Eibach suspension? Shocks, struts, springs? I'm not sure lowering the car with any kit is going to not inrease the harshness of the ride...
I'd also suspect the low profile tires are not of good quality and contributing to the harshness...
Finally I'm not real sure you can achieve both, lowered and not harsh, it's a Mustang, they just all ride kinda hard and lowering it makes it worse...
I have Konis on my Cobra, and yeah, it rides harsh, but it handles great...if I want soft, I drive my Infiniti

+1...

You cant have both soft ride and great handling. its ONE or the OTHER.

the creakyness is a totally different issue. Replacing and lubing all joints and bushings should take care of that. If you want both soft ride and fast car id recommend an E63 AMG. but your gonna pay to be picky.

 

[clintbaum]

The low profile tires are killing the ride. My car has a stock, for now, suspension that has those tires on it and it rides like crap. I've really never thought that mustangs rode will anyways even with the stock tires and rims, its always rough. If you do end up lowering watch out for the back tires, since they are 305's lowering the car to much will cause the tire to rub on the fender lip, but all you would have to do it roll the fender lip to make it work. Basically the more you put on the suspension will hurt the ride quality, espically most lowering springs will give a very rough ride.

 

[sillyrabbit0420]

Wait... So the more I modify my suspension with upgraded/better performing parts, the worse the car will ride? I beg to differ.
Choose the RIGHT PARTS for the type of driving you do and it'll ride better than stock all day long. Do something stupid like, I dunno, use OEM shocks with performance springs, and that's when you get a ****** ride.

 

[Bullitt5339]

It's 100% possible to have a nice riding car that handles well. If it rides like crap, it's not going to handle well on the streets anyways. Stiffer doesn't automatically mean it's going to ride rough, it'll just be stiffer. It's transitional control between compression and extension that makes it ride nice, not the "softness" of the springs.

One of the nicest riding Mustangs I've been in had H&R Race Springs and Koni Yellows in it. I would have loved to drive it everyday. Controlled and firm, without beating you up. And man, that thing would hook a turn. I've ridden in Rabbit's car, and it's a nice ride as well.

Just remember, the rear combination actually does more for ride comfort than the front.

If stiff springs made a car uncomfortable to drive, mine would be better than a brand new Lexus. 130lb springs in the front, 150lb springs in the back. And I assure you, it's not a smooth ride.

 

[patrickpp14]

what is a full Eibach suspension? Shocks, struts, springs? I'm not sure lowering the car with any kit is going to not inrease the harshness of the ride...
I'd also suspect the low profile tires are not of good quality and contributing to the harshness...
Finally I'm not real sure you can achieve both, lowered and not harsh, it's a Mustang, they just all ride kinda hard and lowering it makes it worse...
I have Konis on my Cobra, and yeah, it rides harsh, but it handles great...if I want soft, I drive my Infiniti

full suspension as in eibach struts, springs, dampers, and anti roll bar..and no just because the car is lowered, does not mean its gonna be a harsh ride..ive been in a gt500 that was an inch off the ground and rode like a dream..and minor harshness is fine but my cars not minor, off little little tiny road imperfections, the car bounces like crazy!! ive had 3 other mustangs, i have 2 now a 2011 mustang v6 and my 04 GT..none of them were THIS bad

 

[patrickpp14]

It's 100% possible to have a nice riding car that handles well. If it rides like crap, it's not going to handle well on the streets anyways. Stiffer doesn't automatically mean it's going to ride rough, it'll just be stiffer. It's transitional control between compression and extension that makes it ride nice, not the "softness" of the springs.

One of the nicest riding Mustangs I've been in had H&R Race Springs and Koni Yellows in it. I would have loved to drive it everyday. Controlled and firm, without beating you up. And man, that thing would hook a turn. I've ridden in Rabbit's car, and it's a nice ride as well.

Just remember, the rear combination actually does more for ride comfort than the front.

If stiff springs made a car uncomfortable to drive, mine would be better than a brand new Lexus. 130lb springs in the front, 150lb springs in the back. And I assure you, it's not a smooth ride.

EXACTLY! i agree with you and thank you so much..i was thinking about koni yellows and definitely H&Rs but arent koni's pretty pricey..i mean i dont wanna pay WAY too much..

 

[patrickpp14]

The low profile tires are killing the ride. My car has a stock, for now, suspension that has those tires on it and it rides like crap. I've really never thought that mustangs rode will anyways even with the stock tires and rims, its always rough. If you do end up lowering watch out for the back tires, since they are 305's lowering the car to much will cause the tire to rub on the fender lip, but all you would have to do it roll the fender lip to make it work. Basically the more you put on the suspension will hurt the ride quality, espically most lowering springs will give a very rough ride.

NOPE not true, i put the tires and rims under a 2011 stock v6 and it rode almost identically...plus the tires are brand new and not that low profile..

 

[patrickpp14]

Wait... So the more I modify my suspension with upgraded/better performing parts, the worse the car will ride? I beg to differ.
Choose the RIGHT PARTS for the type of driving you do and it'll ride better than stock all day long. Do something stupid like, I dunno, use OEM shocks with performance springs, and that's when you get a ****** ride.

ya i just need the right combo, i dont want my car to ride like a cadi but at least like fly off every bump and have the stiffness so much that its almost unbearable on Los Angeles streets

 

[Bullitt5339]

Vogtland Springs and Koni STR.T's are a good budget setup, but the way you describe the ride, I'd say your dampeners are shot and can't control the springs effectively and that's why you're getting the pogo stick type ride.

 

[clintbaum]

NOPE not true, i put the tires and rims under a 2011 stock v6 and it rode almost identically...plus the tires are brand new and not that low profile..

All I know is that I have a completly stock suspension and the car rode pretty well untill I put new tires and rims on it, now the car is rough as all get out, I can even feel it when I run over a small piece of gravel. Maybe it's just my tires. I can feel more through my mustang than I can my bike by far, and my bike has a full race suspension and tires.

 

[Fillup96GT]

All I know is that I have a completly stock suspension and the car rode pretty well untill I put new tires and rims on it, now the car is rough as all get out, I can even feel it when I run over a small piece of gravel. Maybe it's just my tires. I can feel more through my mustang than I can my bike by far, and my bike has a full race suspension and tires.

Like stated before.

It's 100% possible to have a nice riding car that handles well. If it rides like crap, it's not going to handle well on the streets anyways. Stiffer doesn't automatically mean it's going to ride rough, it'll just be stiffer. It's transitional control between compression and extension that makes it ride nice, not the "softness" of the springs.

One of the nicest riding Mustangs I've been in had H&R Race Springs and Koni Yellows in it. I would have loved to drive it everyday. Controlled and firm, without beating you up. And man, that thing would hook a turn. I've ridden in Rabbit's car, and it's a nice ride as well.

Just remember, the rear combination actually does more for ride comfort than the front.

If stiff springs made a car uncomfortable to drive, mine would be better than a brand new Lexus. 130lb springs in the front, 150lb springs in the back. And I assure you, it's not a smooth ride.

That being said it doesnt matter that your suspension is stock it till may be worn and that could be causing your rough ride.

 

[patrickpp14]

Vogtland Springs and Koni STR.T's are a good budget setup, but the way you describe the ride, I'd say your dampeners are shot and can't control the springs effectively and that's why you're getting the pogo stick type ride.

thanks so much i think thats what ill go for..ill submit an order for it in about a week or so..ima also get a bumpsteer kit and a camber kit since my camber is a little negative

i dont get why my ride is SO bad though, like on the highways, its torture, feels like off every bump, my cars gonna fall apart cuz the bump is so hard..its like hitting a huge pot hole :frustrated: funny part is that the cars in great condition, everything inside is like brand new and underneath its CLEAN, carfax report stated NO Accidents, sub frame is completely straight and the car has never been painted so i know for a fact its that stupid eibach struts and dampers -__-

 

[sillyrabbit0420]

Vogtland Springs and Koni STR.T's are a good budget setup, but the way you describe the ride, I'd say your dampeners are shot and can't control the springs effectively and that's why you're getting the pogo stick type ride.

thanks so much i think thats what ill go for..ill submit an order for it in about a week or so..ima also get a bumpsteer kit and a camber kit since my camber is a little negative

i dont get why my ride is SO bad though, like on the highways, its torture, feels like off every bump, my cars gonna fall apart cuz the bump is so hard..its like hitting a huge pot hole :frustrated: funny part is that the cars in great condition, everything inside is like brand new and underneath its CLEAN, carfax report stated NO Accidents, sub frame is completely straight and the car has never been painted so i know for a fact its that stupid eibach struts and dampers -__-

Because what Bullitt stated above...
That's basically what you get with OEM shocks and performance springs, or even when OEM shocks sh*t the bed with OEM springs. You effectively are riding on springs, because the shocks aren't doing their job anymore. Stick a fork in 'em, cause they're DONE.

 

[sillyrabbit0420]

It's called a suspension system for a reason. The components each have a job to do. Shocks and springs have to balance each other out. With worn shocks, you're feeling the full compression of the springs because there's no shock absorber to keep them from bottoming out. After they bottom out, you'll feel the full force of the spring rebound... because it's a spring, and springs spring. That's what they do. And nothing is acting against it.
I'm sure it's a blast to drive. LMAO.

 

[patrickpp14]

It's called a suspension system for a reason. The components each have a job to do. Shocks and springs have to balance each other out. With worn shocks, you're feeling the full compression of the springs because there's no shock absorber to keep them from bottoming out. After they bottom out, you'll feel the full force of the spring rebound... because it's a spring, and springs spring. That's what they do. And nothing is acting against it.
I'm sure it's a blast to drive. LMAO.

lmaoo oo yaa its VERY fun to drive..i hate the ride of my car its gotta be taken care of ASAP, especially cause im in Los Angeles and well, lets just say we dont have the SMOOTHEST streets lol

 

[Bullitt5339]

you cant have both soft ride and great handling. Its one or the other.

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