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Are you experiencing rough/notchy/stiff shifting with your MT82 6-Speed?

  • Yes, I am experiencing rough, notchy, and stiff shifting

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Which makes more sense, trying to prevent the loss of the transmission or waiting around as it gradually becomes undriveable just so Ford will warranty it so you can start all over again?
And this is the great dilemma because we don't have a real failure analysis. Only probable causes to look into and reasonable steps to take to try and make some of them less likely. But let's say the failure mode is different that your friend suspects (don't get me wrong, it's quite reasonable IMO) and the trans still breaks and that breakage has nothing to do with the fluid change or the shifter change but one or both are blamed anyway. What then?

Every approach is a gamble given what is known. Until the aftermarket makes something that matches WSD-M2C200-C or ford starts approving aftermarket fluids this dilemma will persist.

Searching around there is a Castrol trans fluid, a 75W-90 full synthetic, that claims to meet WSD-M2C200-C. (CASTROL BOT 130 M) It appears not to be sold in the USA.

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/b.../castrol/castrol_south_africa/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/t/BOT_130M_TDS.pdf

Also Blu synthetic (canada and limited areas of the USA) claims to have a fluid that matches ford spec: http://blusynthetic.com/sites/default/files/75W-90%20Technician%20Series%20MTF-FS%20%28PDS%29.pdf

Also saw some other foreign brands with even more limited distribution that claim to meet the ford spec.

If my knowledge of warranty law is correct, then any fluid which meets the ford spec cannot be cause for denial. For instance using mobil 1 engine oil rather than motorcraft, since they both meet the specification in the owners manual. It's just sad that this spec is something they've brought in from other places in the world so nothing here seems to explicitly meet it (as in the company making it says so).


BTW, here's an interesting PDF I ran across...
http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/quickref/mantrans.pdf

Also of interest:
Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid
 
I just find it so hard to believe Ford and Getrag could produce a transmission that owners have been complaining about since 2004... And wouldn't use a different fluid if that was the culprit. We know they revised the sychronizers/blockers in 2011 Job2 cars and now the latest units allegedly have a coating on the gears. Somebody here also mentioned a change in bearings. Why the h3ll would they keep revising this thing if the issue could be solved with a few quarts of fluid? If you browse the transit van forums, they've been experimenting with fluids for years and none so far have "prevented" problems.

Ford provided the NHTSA all transmission repair and durability testing docs last week. Hopefully this investigation will shift to an engineering phase and we'll get some answers.
 
97GT12 and jmatero,

You points are all well taken and even with what I said earlier, it's all just an opinion. And everyones got one.

As with Ford's history of sticking their heads in the sand concerning these debacles, all that is and has been said is true and can be backed by facts.

With the way things are currently going, if my transmission does fail, I doubt it will go back to Ford. Notice I said "doubt".

Also, I may be wrong but Ford's current TSB on the MT-82 recommends replacing the existing fluid with QDS which, I believe, does not meet the MT-82 specs either. But Ford will eventually change that, then who knows what lubes will be grandfathered in

Also, you ever priced a quart of QDL? It makes all other fluid look cheap.

As to why only some transmissions are failing, with predictions that all ultimately will, seems to be a mystery to everyone, including Ford. Imagine that!

It will be interesting to see the result over time. We may end up like 6.0 and 6.4 Super Duty owners. They are still waiting, while racking up repeated 12k repair bills.

As I said in my earlier post. The fluid change made my transmission feel better and more enjoyable to drive, which was my goal. I'm not saying it will last any longer. But who knows? And I will probably continue to purchase Ford products. I just like their vehicles.
 
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I just find it so hard to believe Ford and Getrag could produce a transmission that owners have been complaining about since 2004... And wouldn't use a different fluid if that was the culprit. We know they revised the sychronizers/blockers in 2011 Job2 cars and now the latest units allegedly have a coating on the gears. Somebody here also mentioned a change in bearings. Why the h3ll would they keep revising this thing if the issue could be solved with a few quarts of fluid? If you browse the transit van forums, they've been experimenting with fluids for years and none so far have "prevented" problems.

Ford provided the NHTSA all transmission repair and durability testing docs last week. Hopefully this investigation will shift to an engineering phase and we'll get some answers.
I really think it could be the quality of the parts being used in the transmissions. Especially since we're seeing such a high failure rate.

The v6 Mustangs are having mt82 problems but I see a lot more GT post about it. I have to wonder if also the combined power the 5.0 has, this transmission can't handle this much power.
 
Posted overnight to the NHTSA:
2012 MUSTANG. BINDING SHIFT LINKAGE, UNABLE TO SHIFT. OCCURRED WHEN MERGING UNTO FREEWAY AND SHIFTING FROM 2ND TO 3RD GEAR, NEARLY RUN INTO BY FOLLOWING TRAFFIC, HAD TO COAST TO SHOULDER AND NEARLY STOP BEFORE ABLE TO SHIFT INTO ANY GEAR. IN ADDITION, THE TRANSMISSION GRINDS WHEN SHIFTING TO 5TH GEAR. THE BINDING LINKAGE HAS OCCURRED SEVERAL MORE TIMES SINCE THE INITIAL PROBLEM. I AM 67 YEARS OLD AND HAVE HAD MANY VEHICLES IN MY LIFETIME WITH SIMILIAR DRIVETRAINS AND HAVE NOT HAD THIS TYPE OF PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THEM. I PRESENTLY OWN 3 OTHER VEHICLES WITH MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS, ALL FLOOR SHIFTERS ( ONE 4 SPEED, ONE 5 SPEED, AND ONE 6 SPEED), AND THEY HAVE NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM. I BELIEVE THE LINKAGE AND TRANSMISSION IS DEFECTIVE AND AM RETURNING IT TO THE DEALER IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR A WARRANTY CLAIM. I HAVE DELAYED THE WARRANTY CLAIM FOR SEVERAL REASONS,NUMBER ONE: THE VEHICLE IS ONE OF SIX I PRESENTLY OWN AND IT SEES VERY LITTLE USE AND HAS VERY LOW MILES ON IT, NUMBER TWO: I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AVOID DAMAGE FROM THE GRINDING BY SKIPPING 6TH GEAR, NUMBER THREE: THE DEALER IS NOT REAL CLOSE TO MY RESIDENCE SO I HAVE DELAYED THE TRIP THERE UNTIL LOGGING ENOUGH MILES TO JUSTIFY AN OIL CHANGE AT THE TIME OF INVESTIGATING THE GRINDING AND LINKAGE PROBLEM.THE VEHICLE WAS PURCHASED NEW ON 6-1-11 AND HAD APPROXIMATELY 10 MILES ON THE ODOMETER WHEN RECEIVED BY ME. THE VEHICLE HAS THE GETRAG 6 SPEED TRANSMISSION. THE SPACING BETWEEN GEARS SEEMS EXCESSIVELY CLOSE AND MAY CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM.
 
there are a lot of good points in this thread and everybody has an opinion. The fluid swap is a joke to me. Its a band aid to a bigger issue. I honestly think its cheap parts and half a@@ed engineered to just barely meet a spec. Its all about money. You would think after all of these years Ford would have learned their lessons on cutting corners but they have not it appears to me. I do hope one day somebody can get to the bottom of the root cause of the issues.

If money where no object I would buy a Boss but they are not desirable to me with the MT82. What a damn shame. Quality is not job 1 on the MT82's thats for sure.
 
I really think it could be the quality of the parts being used in the transmissions. Especially since we're seeing such a high failure rate.

The v6 Mustangs are having mt82 problems but I see a lot more GT post about it. I have to wonder if also the combined power the 5.0 has, this transmission can't handle this much power.
They can make a chicken taste like an orange but they can't build a device that has been in cars around the globe for over 100 years?

Back in 2004, I worked for a company that produced hair trimmer blades at a factory in China. I was sent there to train employees after we upgraded all the equipment and installed safety shields and mechanisms to prevent injuries around the die-cutters.

I wasn't back a WEEK when I learned they removed every safety device and increased the line speed because they felt they were "underproducing". Meanwhile, our defect-rate skyrocketed and the factory didn't care... they just wanted to lower the price/per as compensation. When I went back the next year, I found out they SOLD the equipment we installed. SOLD it. And I watched a room full of employees sticking blanks in the machines and pulling their hands out of the way just in time for the stamp to drop. Insane.
 
Ford had until Friday to submit everything in this request. There are no new docs posted on the website. The next step is for the NHTSA to examine those docs and determine whether to proceed with an engineering analysis... which we (and most owners, I'm sure...) would love to see happen.
 

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The trans is not the only issue with these cars that pisses me off...25/44 mpg is what they claim on the window sticker.....I assume this was done on an emty test track driving at an unrealistically low speed that would get you killed if you attempted to get the same results in the real world?

Best ive pulled so far in mine, at a steady speed(for hours)is 29mpg hwy and around town....waaaay under the 25mpg they claim:nono:

If the new focus was RWD, I'd be all over one(I hate fwd with a passion)...guy I work with gets 400km to half a tank!!
 
Could be.....cdn window stickers/ratings have em listed at 44/25 mpg.

my 2012 has 3:31's, my 2011 that I traded in before I ran out of warranty(yes...nice loud ticking motor) had 2:73's and the best I could pull..after a year of trying was 30.9mpg..something smells..oh ya, I think its the pantload ford keeps trying to shovel:nono:
 
Ford had until Friday to submit everything in this request. There are no new docs posted on the website. The next step is for the NHTSA to examine those docs and determine whether to proceed with an engineering analysis... which we (and most owners, I'm sure...) would love to see happen.
interesting read. I hope this is beginning of the end of the MT-82 problems in the Mustang. :bigthumbsup
 
Everyone hang in there and keep up the pressure, as it will get eventually get worked out because, according to my Porsche friend, all these trannys will eventually self destruct and Ford will have to deal with them. And believe, they will have to deal with them. He knows what he's talking about.

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Agreed and believe me, i intend to tell far more than the 13 people you quoted.
 
Hey Allentown,

I'm ready to get out of this Mustang GT due to the trans issues and Fords attitude toward it. I was wondering roughly how big a hit you took on the Mustang in the trade. You can PM me if you want or post it here.

Thanks for your time.
For what its worth, if you bought close to a base model at a lower interest rate, you can get pretty much for what you owe. The more options you added & or the higher the interest rate you had, the more upside down you are as you only regain a fraction of the value of the optional features back on trade. In my case....about a $10,000 loss, i was forced to go with the Titan as a replacement as they were doing $8,200 off sticker and i essentially financed 3k over sticker on her in trade. Of course i am still screwed as those rebates destroy residual values as well.

Your mileadge may vary.
 
They can make a chicken taste like an orange but they can't build a device that has been in cars around the globe for over 100 years?

Back in 2004, I worked for a company that produced hair trimmer blades at a factory in China. I was sent there to train employees after we upgraded all the equipment and installed safety shields and mechanisms to prevent injuries around the die-cutters.

I wasn't back a WEEK when I learned they removed every safety device and increased the line speed because they felt they were "underproducing". Meanwhile, our defect-rate skyrocketed and the factory didn't care... they just wanted to lower the price/per as compensation. When I went back the next year, I found out they SOLD the equipment we installed. SOLD it. And I watched a room full of employees sticking blanks in the machines and pulling their hands out of the way just in time for the stamp to drop. Insane.
The company I work for had similar issues with some of our China made parts. They substituted our specified material with a cheaper one without telling us, trying to maximize their profits I assume. Fortunately we found out before the product went into production, We pulled the part back to the US after that. Companies here still think they can teach them how to make quality parts. There was a time when made in Japan meant you were getting crap. Korea also use to have quality issues. Its a painfull learning curve every country seems to have to go through while developing manufacturing ability. Not and excuse for Ford but also not supprise they are having problems. And yes I know I'm rolling the dice by ordering a new 2012 with a MT-82. I should be getting it in early November so I'll keep you posted on how it performs since I live in Minnesota and temps are already dipping into the mid 30's overnight.
 
Anyone can create multiple accounts. Vin-verified owner??? You can find hundreds of 2011 or 2012 Mustang GT VIN just by google or ebay. If you think that every one of those 700 unique name in this thread are all different people then you are being naive. Same goes for the 180 unique vin-verified posted in NHTSA.

A few of the NHTSA posts are a joke. You know....sort of like some of your followers

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I WAS DRIVING TO CALIFORNIA TO VISIT MY GOOD FRIEND MATERO. I WAS AT A STOP LIGHT TRYING TO TURN LEFT AND I HEARD A CRUNCH OR WHINE. IT'S PROBABLY FROM MY CAR OR MY WIFE IS MUNCHING ON A OREO OR WHINING AGAIN. TRY MY HARDEST TO PUT IN GEAR AND I WAS LOCKED OUT OF 2ND AND 3RD GEAR. SOMEONE DRIVING A CRAPPY TITAN ALMOST REAR ENDED ME BECAUSE OF THAT. THIS MT82 TRANSMISSION IS TOTAL JUNK, I WISH I BOUGHT A AUTOMATIC LIKE 2006FAN. I RATHER LET PEOPLE LAUGH AT ME FOR DRIVING AUTOMATIC THAN THIS.

P.S My bad if this is really your friend.
P.P.S I don't need to proof anything.....you know....i learn this from you.
1. The NHTSA calls or emails EVERY owner who posts. Each is verified as there is an investigation going on.

2. There are TWO joke 2012 reports and they were reported to the NHTSA and I have been assured they will removed this week. It should be noted the IP address of the individual who submitted these was recorded by the NHTSA.

I think you're being a bit of a conspiracy theorist if you think that 700 individuals posting to this thread or 180 owners are really 2 or 3 with multiple names. Ford had to produce the owner information for every MT82 complaint and repair... and the NHTSA called or notified via email every submission to verify its authenticity.

We can fight over this forever but we'll all know very soon just how big this is. Initial NHTSA investigations rarely take more than three months which puts us at 11/8/2011.

Lets all regroup once the NHTSA concludes whether or not this is an engineering defect.
 
What seems simple to people on the outside of a large corporation might not be so simple on the inside. Releasing a new lubricant and putting it through the dealer network is unlikely an easy thing to accomplish. These aftermarket lubricant companies should really do what it takes to say what OEM specs their lubricants meet. I realize they don't do it but they could vastly improve their sales if they did.

I have repeatedly looked into the claim of widespread MT-82 problems in the Ford transit and the land rover defender. Outside of a few complaints in forums there really isn't much. In the defender forums some have clearly stated their version of the MT-82 is not the same and not as heavy duty as the one in the transit and mustang. The MT-82 does not even make the lists of common/top transit problems floating around.

Made in China comes in several grades. Yes it's common for people to discard safety items and ramp up production in ways that hurt quality. This is usually not something that happens in owned factories, but does happen at contract manufacturers and suppliers. Companies that US and European companies do not have their own people running or monitoring things on a constant basis. And constant means living there, because reversion comes 1-3 weeks after someone gets back on the plane. There are things that can happen in factories with various degrees of oversight, but the more oversight, the more controlled, the smaller the degree.

Getrag has enough on their websites to show roughly how they are operating. It appears that their plants are making pretty much the entire transmission in house and have a western presence permanently in China overseeing the three plants. Sure it's not perfect info and some of it is three years old, but it does show the scheme of things.

In any case the really scary stories of removed safety equipment, thinned out plastic, and other ways of making volume at the sake of quality should not really apply to this situation. What does are the finer problems that can happen pretty much anywhere a company places a factory that isn't in their own backyard and sometimes when they do.

The scariest piece of info I found in that was a reference to a Chinese bearing supplier from 2008 for the MT-82 on the GETRAG (Jiangxi) Transmission website. On the bearing company's website they claim to have become a supplier to GM in 2007. ( http://www.cjb.com.cn/en/yxwl.asp ) So this company's bearings are in 'made in the USA' assemblies. Essentially this can happen just as easily with made in USA and made in Mexico these days with suppliers & manufacturers that source their bearings in China.

I've also been looking into NHTSA investigations and they appear to be pretty common and routine. I found a website that tallies investigations. The 2003 mustang and a honda accord of roughly that same time each had 10 investigations, just to give a couple examples.
 
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