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I’ve been driving for a week and 112 miles on TOYO’s new Proxes 4 plus ultra-high performance tires (255/40/19). TOYOs advertising for the tire is done with a Mustang GT, but that’s not the reason I chose them. With little to no reviews out there I took a bit of a gamble on the purchase, but I’m so glad I did. $743.92 (4) from tiresdirect.net plus another $100 to install. They make the OEM Pirellis seem like they came out of a comic strip. No, I’m not comparing the worn out Pirellis against the brand new TOYOs. I’m comparing back to when the Pirellis had less than 5k miles on them. Because after 5k miles the Pirellis on my car stopped handling the power and lost their ability to laterally grip. I swear from 10k miles to 12k miles if I was in a 2nd gear corner applying 50% throttle to go around someone I would just automatically apply opposite lock because the tail was trying to come around. Forget first gear corners and any throttle! I would classify myself as a moderately aggressive driver. Spirited acceleration on occasion and higher than normal cornering speeds. My 2012 GT has the Brembos and 3.73. From when the car was brand new the Pirellis would spin and give lurid slides on full throttle 1st to 2nd gear changes. The TOYOs just bark and then bite. To get the TOYOs to spin I have to use twice the rpms on launch as I used to apply with the Pirellis. The TOYOs are still new, but response and turn in is equal to or better than the Pirellis. I have no idea why, but the TOYOs turn with a LOT less effort on the steering wheel? No, it’s not the pressure I’m keeping the same 33 psi in the TOYOs that I did with the Pirellis. If the TOYOs go the distance as advertised (45k miles) they will almost quadruple the distance I got from the Pirellis (12k miles). I had a feeling the Pirellis were loud, but compared to the TOYOs the Pirellis are like living near a jet airport. WOW what a difference in the cabin! I can hear the induction sound tube so much better now! I’ll chime back in as time and miles accumulate, but so far very pleased and highly recommended!
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That's a great looking tire! Thanks for sharing the review.
 
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That says a lot when those are all season performance tires compared to Max Performance Summer which the p-zeroes are. Nice review.
 
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That says a lot when those are all season performance tires compared to Max Performance Summer which the p-zeroes are. Nice review.
Yes, the manufacturers have really narrowed the gap between purpose built summer tires and all season ultra high performance. In fact the way these TOYOs perform it would take a track to tell the difference between the two. And even then I doubt you could feel the difference it would only be in the data.
 
About 6 years ago I replaced my Accord's OEM Michelin's (which were great) with a set of Proxes and have never looked back. They make a fantastic tire and I would buy again without hesitation.
 
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About 6 years ago I replaced my Accord's OEM Michelin's (which were great) with a set of Proxes and have never looked back. They make a fantastic tire and I would buy again without hesitation.
It's my first set of TOYOs, but as mentioned above so far I'm very impressed. Based on the competition TOYOs price to performance ratio is off the chart! I know we have a lot of PSS fans on this site, but no way in everyday driving are they worth $1,000 more!
 
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How well do they grip on launch?
I'm still breaking them in, but they grip on launch very, very well. As I stated above it takes a lot more rpms to break them loose. When they do break loose they hook up again quick. I'm still getting used to not having the tail hang out on 2nd gear corners with throttle.
 
An amateur driving his dd around town isn't going to notice a big difference between a set of Max performance summer tires and all season performance tires.

It cracks me up when someone that doesn't track their car buys a top of the line set of Max performance summer tires that costs 1,000 + :laugh:
 
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I'm confused as why anyone would buy all season tires in florida?
 
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I'm confused as why anyone would buy all season tires in florida?
Because you can! Just because I live in Florida doesn't mean I'm not going to drive to where some snow is! You could say the same thing for V8. Unless you're hauling cattle you don't really need one, but you have one because you can.
 
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An amateur driving his dd around town isn't going to notice a big difference between a set of Max performance summer tires and all season performance tires.

It cracks me up when someone that doesn't track their car buys a top of the line set of Max performance summer tires that costs 1,000 + :laugh:
I came so close to being one of those. I had a set of Michelin PSSs on order, but cancelled them at the last second. Early on on in my Pirellis life I was out on Sebring international raceway for 3 laps. A possible 3 laps again over the course of the PSSs life was not worth the extra $500. I'll go out onto the raceway with the TOYOs and sacrifice the .01 second.
 
Wellllllll.....damn!!!

I really wish I the OP had posted this earlier.

I just spent the same ammount of money on TWO new rear OEM tires for my car. I really could have used the all-season traction, quieter ride and longer lasting tread.

Seriously.....DAMN!!!!

Replacing Brembo OEM tires with original OEMs has definitely jumped the shark.
 
Because you can! Just because I live in Florida doesn't mean I'm not going to drive to where some snow is! You could say the same thing for V8. Unless you're hauling cattle you don't really need one, but you have one because you can.
This is true! :bigthumbsup


Its hard for me to believe that any all season tire can have that much traction, but sounds like you did you testing - and they passed:yup:
 
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This is true! :bigthumbsup


Its hard for me to believe that any all season tire can have that much traction, but sounds like you did you testing - and they passed:yup:
I did a lot of research, but without mounting them up and comparing them a la Tire Rack and Car and Driver it's a bit of a gamble. You're dependent on what the mfgs say and they're obviously not going to trash their own product. As you can probably tell from above I'm not a fan of the Pirellis. If they were a better tire from the start the TOYOs woudn't be the big leap that they are. The TOYOs were not in the recent Car and Driver tire test (weren't out yet), but the Pirellis were and guess who got last place out of 9?
 
Thanks for putting this out there 12blackgt:bigthumbsup

I have 13k on my Pirellis (nero-zero's at that) and they are pretty much toast. I have never had a set of tires that have gone from new to crap so quickly ever, not on any car or truck I've had.

I just might be dialing up a set of these for my car and soon:gringreen
 
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^ It depends on your age and what you're used to.

To be honest, I think these stock Pzero Nero A/S are a great tire for the average driver. Considering all the power and torque they have to deal with, they do a great job. A/S tires aren't what they used to be, that's for sure.
 
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Wellllllll.....damn!!!

I really wish I the OP had posted this earlier.

I just spent the same ammount of money on TWO new rear OEM tires for my car. I really could have used the all-season traction, quieter ride and longer lasting tread.

Seriously.....DAMN!!!!

Replacing Brembo OEM tires with original OEMs has definitely jumped the shark.
Sorry dude! Look at it this way you helped Pirelli sponsor the F1 season and there was a race in Texas this year. Now you know how Pirelli can afford to do that!
 
I did a lot of research, but without mounting them up and comparing them a la Tire Rack and Car and Driver it's a bit of a gamble. You're dependent on what the mfgs say and they're obviously not going to trash their own product. As you can probably tell from above I'm not a fan of the Pirellis. If they were a better tire from the start the TOYOs woudn't be the big leap that they are. The TOYOs were not in the recent Car and Driver tire test (weren't out yet), but the Pirellis were and guess who got last place out of 9?
Supposedly the Pirelli Pzeros that come on the Mustang are different than the Pirelli Pzeros that were tested in Car and Driver. Somebody wrote them a question about it and they answered it in Backfires. He asked, " How can the Pzeros come in last place? I have them on my Mustang GT, and its such great tire. " C&D said that off the shelf Pzeros aren't the same, because Pirelli manufacturers tires specifically for Mustang, as well as other cars that come from the factory with Pirellis.

I don't know if that's true but that's what they said. I guess the shoes that Nike makes for Lebron to wear, are of a higher quality than the same shoe that they sell the public.

To Glock, who is considering suicide because he bought his tires before reading this review, no offense to the op, I would take this review with a grain of salt. I don't think I've ever seen someone say, " I just bought a new set of tires and they suck, I'm warning you to never buy these ". Its all subjective. That's why I really enjoyed the C&D tire review and I hope they do many more of them. The difference between the 1st and last place tire was, stopping 7ft shorter on dry pavement, .06 g on the skid pad, and 2 seconds better in autocross.

So basically you'd have to be a highly advanced robot to "feel" those differences. Moral of the story is, don't spend a lot of money on tires, because the op is right, the gap has really narrowed.
 
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To Glock, who is considering suicide because he bought his tires before reading this review, no offense to the op, I would take this review with a grain of salt. I don't think I've ever seen someone say, " I just bought a new set of tires and they suck, I'm warning you to never buy these ". Its all subjective. That's why I really enjoyed the C&D tire review and I hope they do many more of them. The difference between the 1st and last place tire was, stopping 7ft shorter on dry pavement, .06 g on the skid pad, and 2 seconds better in autocross.
It really is the money.

On balance, I could have bought a nice Daniel Defense upper with their M4RIS 12.25" rail, DD iron sights, a FA BCG, 1/7 twist 14.5" CL barrel........

Ooooh, sorry, wrong web-site!!:gringreen:gringreen
 
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